I meant it exactly as I said it. I do not agree that any theft occurred, either in law or in spirit, and I believe that reinterpretation of intellectual-property law in order to make it a crime would cause significant harm, greatly outweighing the benefits, as has been the case with every other expansion of intellectual property law I have seen.

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fcarraldo 4 days ago | parent [-]

Anthropic downloaded books from Library Genesis and The Pirate Library mirror. This is factual and reported on from court documents.

What’s the angle that describes this as fair use?

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/anthropic-cut-pirated-millio...

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marssaxman 4 days ago | parent [-]

The simple fact that they are not republishing any of that data. Fair use does not apply, because copyright does not apply, because nothing is being copied.

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Wowfunhappy 4 days ago | parent [-]

So you don't think downloading something from The Pirate Bay constitutes copyright infringement provided you don't republish it?

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marssaxman 4 days ago | parent [-]

Precisely. The person sharing is the one breaking the law.

	▲	thrwaway55 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I just want to confirm this, you believe that when OpenAI and their agents post copyright material that they did not pay for verbatim it is breaking the law?
	▲	coldtea 3 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		You are wrong then. Confidently wrong. U.S.: Downloading = infringement. If prosecuted, usually gets civil lawsuits/fines, not jail. E.U.: Same — both downloading/hosting illegal, but hosts get cracked down harder.
	▲	TheRoque 4 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		That's factually wrong, downloading without sharing is also illegal.