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cft 5 days ago

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czottmann 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's the equivalent of "voting with your wallet". Or "giving market share with your wallet".

Context matters, not just for LLMs themselves. And Grok/X/Twitter's context is tarnished indeed for a lot of us.

jameshart 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thanks for the reminder. I don’t need to leave that there for discoverability any more.

const_cast 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, being anti-nazi, what a... virtue? I guess?

jjangkke 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Elon Musk is not a nazi.

jameshart 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

While this point might be open to debate, the original claim, which I definitely stand by, was not that Musk is a Nazi, but rather that xAI have put out a product under the grok brand which manifestly promoted nazi ideas.

If Musk is not in favor of those ideas he might need to work a bit harder to make that clear, because he does tend to leave people with the impression he’s okay with it.

jjangkke 5 days ago | parent [-]

A prompt was edited by an xAI staff that caused xAI to ignore the politically correct filter, how is Elon Musk responsible for this ?

sjsdaiuasgdia 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

He's the CEO, and there's now been a few "oh geez some rogue employee made grok say white supremacist stuff, we totally didn't mean for it to say that!" moments.

If the management isn't fixing the problems that led to those events, the management is responsible.

lovich 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Isn’t he the CEO and owner? I thought their massive wealth and control was morally ok because they carried the responsibility for the companies actions at the end of the day.

Guess you can have the power and no responsibility! Always someone else’s fault!

const_cast 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He's not very good at demonstrating that.

I don't know man. For like... the other 7 billion people on Earth it seems preeeetty easy for them not to be confused with a Nazi.

Seems to me just Elon has that issue. I've never had that issue. I don't know anyone who's has that issue. So, it makes you wonder.

andriesm a day ago | parent [-]

Elon desperately convincing everyone he is not a Nazi, is like being asked to answer the question "Why do you beat your wife every day? " And then you trying to explain that "no it's not every day, in fact it is never." And then public opinion be like "He doth protest too much"

const_cast a day ago | parent [-]

Nobody else needs to convince people they're not a Nazi. I certainly don't.

We can pretend to look the other way all day, or we can take some accountability. Apologizing isn't hard. It would be very easy for him to make this all disappear. But he won't do it.

Maybe it's pride, maybe he's just stupid, I don't know.

Revisional_Sin 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Then why did he publicly do a Nazi salute?

jjangkke 5 days ago | parent [-]

He did not do a Nazi salute because otherwise ADL would've been all over him. ADL came out saying he didn't do a Nazi salute.

KingMob 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

The ADL's morally bankrupt calculus is that they value support for Israel more, so they covered for Musk as long as he supports Israel. Which sadly, makes the rest of us less safe.

Revisional_Sin 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And they were criticised for this by many other Jewish organisations.

iamdelirium 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The ADL is not the final arbitrator of what is a Nazi salute and what isn't.

holoduke 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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lovich 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Excuse me sir, this is a forum for yCombinator backed startups. The technical aspect is a historical novelty, if they could make money without it, they would

cft 5 days ago | parent [-]

The forum for YC backed startups is not public. This is effectively an indirect tech recruitment board for those start-ups, sir.

lovich 5 days ago | parent [-]

Youre right, with a dash of hype machine for their launches

subsection1h 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> This is a forum for tech-related discussions, not a venue for your virtue signaling.

LOL. Says the guy who wrote, "Modern local religion (at least in the US) is neomarxism":

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31025588

ml-anon 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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