I am pretty comfortable with CSS, enough to find tailwind useless. I've done front-end work exclusively too (not anymore). Just because one has the skill doesn't mean they can't acknowledge the stupidity of it. People bash CRUD code not because they can't write it, it's just boring and sometimes wrong too (crud API, don't get me started on that)

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lionelw 6 days ago | parent [-]

Alright, if you say so. But what stupidity do you mean? What do you mean offload it to figma etc? Why is it dumb to write code for... the job CSS is built for?

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nsonha 5 days ago | parent [-]

design should be visual, you should not have to write code for it.

Even if you write code for it, you should be able to write code in a way that express your high level thinking, something similar to constrain layout in mobile dev. CSS has 4 levels of overlapping features so far and every new layout model comes out are slightly better but still a little bit off. The newer features like variables have bolted-on syntax that looks like garbage, nobody understand CSS grammar anyway (does it even have one?)

Given how convoluted CSS is despite how little it has to do, I consider it a poorly designed programming language, if you can call it that.

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lionelw 5 days ago | parent [-]

So how do you deliver design on the web, if not without code?

Remember that designing for the web is not like designing for print, where the dimensions of your canvas, and the amount and nature of your content, are known quantities. A web page is expected to accommodate every possible device, agent and viewport -- watches, phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, TVs, screen readers, ebook readers, etc. * portrait and landscape orientations * browser window sizes -- and content that can change by the minute and whose size is unknown until all of it has arrived on the device.

Think about all these conditionals and variables, and how much instruction you need to provide, efficiently, for making it all look as good as possible, to the browser/agent. Doesn't all this seem like the necessary purview of a domain-specific programming language?

	▲	nsonha 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		I never said I don't like domain specific languages. Actually I said CSS sucks at being one.