> yes, i use programs/apps, but attack surface and threat models aren't binary, so it's still better to make things more secure

But again, the point is that market decisions aren't microeconomic. The world where everyone uses noscript by default is a world where no one builds web apps anymore (because the platform sucks by default) and everyone uses native apps from whoever the dominant vendor happens to be. And that's worse (much worse, by basically every metric, including privacy and security) and not better.

Your logic only works if you're a parasite: you can use noscript to "protect" yourself only if most people don't.

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Jach 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Worse for whom? Not the end user, where again they just permanently enable the app once if they are going to use it often. This makes it little different to the consent for browser permissions, like notifications or access to a microphone or camera, which everyone does use. If everyone used noscript you might even see a change to the default interface to make it more like the permissions flow.

Separately, we already live in a world where people tend to pick "native" apps (e.g. Discord, Slack) that are just wrappers around the webapp, and on the phone you have similar behavior where people often prefer the "native" app (e.g. twitter/X) over the mobile web version. Despite this asymmetry, web apps continue to be built, and they would continue even if everyone used noscript.

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rebane2001 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

i'm not a "parasite" for having a personal threat model - i'm a person with a double digit number of browser CVEs, and i think it makes sense to take extra precautions because of that

and like, noscript doesn't mean you can't run javascript - it just means you have to consent to it, just like it was in the past with flash and java applets

your argument kind of assumes noscript users never run javascript, which is false

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ajross 5 days ago | parent [-]

> i'm not a "parasite" for having a personal threat model

Of course not. You're a parasite because if everyone had your "personal threat model"[1] it would kill the platform you're using and you wouldn't even have the option of noscript. I think the metaphor is apt and I stand by it.

[1] FWIW, this conflation of legitimate security jargon with what amounts to wanting more settings tunables in your app is sort of a bad smell. It seems insincere, honestly.

	▲	floydnoel 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		i guess we can all tell who works for ad-tech! seriously though, some of us have been using the web longer than JS has existed, and it works fine without it. i personally just updated my purpose-built (for SEO and other non-JS contexts) router for React, which now lets one curl a page and you can see all the text contents you want and even has low quality image placeholders. so you can view the whole page with no-JS. it really isn't very hard to support!