Ok, one issue I have with this analysis is the breakdown between input and output tokens. I'm the kind of person who spend most of my chat asking questions, so I might only use 20ish input tokens per prompt, where Gemini is having to put out several hundred, which would seem to affect the economics quite a bit

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bcrosby95 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, I've noticed Chatgpt5 is very chatty. I can ask a 1 sentence question and get back 3-4 paragraphs, most of which I ignore, depending upon the task.

	▲	ozgung 5 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Same. It acts like its output tokens are for free. My input output ratio is like 1 to 10 at least. Not counting "Thought" and it's internal generation for agentic tasks.
	▲	solarkraft 5 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		I haven’t used it without customization, but I find it follows my brevity user instructions more strictly.
	▲	trashface 5 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Switch to Robot personality

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pakitan 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It may hurt them financially but they are fighting for market share and I'd argue short answers will drive users away. I prefer the long ones much more as they often include things I haven't directly asked about but are still helpful.

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red2awn 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It also didn't take into account a lot of the new models are reasoning models which spits out a lot of output tokens.