>> At that time my M was a staff level IC TLM with 4 reports who was forcibly converted to EM.

>I am obviously not disputing your experience, but wanted to mention that this was not the standard pattern. The standard pattern for forced conversion at L6 (Staff) was either 6 or 7 reports (I don't remember exactly).

I think you're both saying the same thing. By "forcibly converted to EM", I think B-Con was saying the person was given more reports.