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	▲	lisbbb 7 days ago
		I don't think that word salad really means anything. People fall for complex lies all the time. We just experienced it with 'public health experts' who had never done a single cost vs. benefit analysis in the real world nearly destroy civilization because they were enjoying the power trip. And they lied their asses off to us and many of you on HN still believe it because it's a huge blind spot for your intellects. I don't think any truth is fundamental at all, I think it all has to remain up for review perpetually even though it irritates the living hell out of some people that it has to be is like that. You all seem to want "settled science" but science is never settled, nor is truth. Just the mere mention of "global warming" on here as an issue creates a knee-jerk reaction in people which makes me realize what we are up against is really a clash of incompatible personality types that will one day have to be sorted out violently. The winners of that conflict will determine "truth."
	▲	godelski 7 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		`> People fall for complex lies all the time.` This is not in contention with what I said. The existence of a believable but complex lie does not disprove the existence of a believable yet simple lie. Nor have I made the claim that because something is complex that it must be true. Maybe it would help if I wrote like this `min(complexity \| truth) > x min(complexity \| lie) = 0` I've said nothing about max complexity, only that some lower bound of complexity must exist when something is true. And again, this statement does not imply that the complexity of something can indicate if it is truthful or not. We could also write it this way if you want: min(complexity \| truth) > min(complexity \| lie) `> I don't think any truth is fundamental at all` You and I are actually in agreement. But to be clear, while I do not think anyone can make a claim (in a finite amount of time) that is perfectly correct, I am quite certain that there are things that are more correct than others. Science can always improve, and my previous comment stated as much. It would be wrong to say "the Earth is flat" but certainly it would be more wrong to say "the Earth is the sound a Gorilla makes while eating the color purple." And there's definitely statements even more wrong than that. At least that one was intelligible, even if incoherent.
	▲	thunderbong 7 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> People fall for complex lies all the time. Of course. My comment was nothing about what people choose to believe. > I don't think any truth is fundamental at all Neither did I mean that. > You all seem to want "settled science" but science is never settled, nor is truth. I don't think there was any intent of this in my comment or in the comment I replied to.