Plenty of them here before the election. Wish they’d speak up more now and explain how any of these policies are objectively good for the US economy and US citizens.

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Terr_ 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

If they cared about measurable outcomes we wouldn't be in this situation.

For them, "success" involves feeling that a particular social arrangement has been solidified. It involves an exploitative hierarchy (which they believe is both inevitable and required) where they aren't obviously on the bottom and where "the right people" are on top.

They simply do not care how much it costs to raid people's attics looking for Anne Franco, or even the odds of finding her family, as long as The Authority is taking Firm Steps and people like Anne Franco are afraid.

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chrisco255 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Quite simply: de minimis import rules make no sense, they are inevitably abused by China in particular to import billions in untaxed goods. No foreign country has a right to sell things in America. China and EU and others impose their own arbitrary redtrictions and taxes on imports but for some reason if America does it, it gets worldwide press because for the longest time, it was just open season as we drained out manufacturing and gutted the base that built America in the first place.

We have laws on the books and they have to be enforced equally, whether you're shipping in entire containers or thousands of small direct mail packages.

	▲	wvenable 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Of course de minimis import rules make sense. Processing every $20 or $50 parcel through full customs would cost more in bureaucracy than it would raise in revenue. This is why many countries around the world have de minimis rules including Canada, the EU, and even China. De minimis had nothing to do with draining out manufacturing; that's been happening for decades. Before 1993 the rate was $10. And who cares about the "base that built America"? US unemployment was low! The US doesn't need these terrible jobs or look to the past for opportunity. There is plenty of opportunity available by looking forward.
	▲	runako 2 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> No foreign country has a right to sell things in America Flipping this around: this is a limit on the rights of American citizens to purchase things from around the world. My argument is it's best for policy to center the rights of American citizens vs trying to curtail the rights of people who do not even live here.
	▲	danny_codes 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Seems like the correct solution would be to just eliminate tariffs entirely then.. why shoot yourself in the foot by reducing trade when you can.. just not do that? The irony is this comes from the conservative movement, who are purportedly neoliberal economists.. but then completely disregard a central plank of neoliberal theory. consistency is low on the MAGA priority list

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sirbutters 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They don't have the mental capacity to understand the consequences of their vote.

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chrisco255 2 days ago | parent [-]

Oh the blue collar and union workers that voted for this are getting exactly what they wanted and know better than you about the consequences. When they get a pay raise because their job and whole town aren't being gutted to globalization they are clearly playing 4D chess.

	▲	sitkack 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Blue collar jobs are going to evaporate as the supply chain gets wedged. This like trying to lose weight by burning down the farms with napalm.
	▲	wvenable 2 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		They're already losing their jobs so this unjustified fantasy has already been destroyed by reality. There are no good economic indicators for the US right now.
	▲	EasyMark 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		you think this is going to bring back factories and blue collar jobs? oof

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metalliqaz 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it's got nothing to do with policies, it's tribal

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snozolli 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I am not a Trump voter, but here's my understanding of what they're hoping for, economically speaking. By devaluing the US dollar, American manufacturing becomes more appealing to other nations. I think it's generally believed that tariffs are a pretty lousy way to boost domestic manufacturing, but I think it might be an effective means of accomplishing the goal of devaluing the dollar. This devaluing shouldn't have any direct, negative effect on Americans when buying domestic (e.g. home prices, locally produced food), but will significantly reduce your ability to travel or buy imported goods.

Again, I'm not a Trump voter and I think this is the clumsiest, most dangerous way to bring manufacturing back to the US, but that's my understanding of what their goal is. I'm not even going to touch the Christian nationalist side of the plan.