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moron4hire a day ago

Having grown up in a rural environment and nearly having my own catastrophic accident while using a circular saw with all of its safety features intact and myself being in an alert and mindful state, I can only describe the scenario you've outlined as, "typical idiot-class behavior".

You see this kind of stuff amongst the petty-criminal working class who chain smoke and binge drink and steal tools off the work site and complain about never being able to get ahead. I've had numerous uncles and neighbors who have life-long debilitating injuries because they showed up to work drunk and fell of a ladder or dropped a running chainsaw on their foot. Every single one of them thought they were a bad ass who "knew what they were doing".

My own accident occurred because I was over-using the tool. I did not have the best tool for the job. The tool was generally appropriate, but I also didn't have the best work space set up for it. The work space wasn't uncomfortable, but I didn't give myself room for error. I thought I had all of the safety features in place and was "being extra careful" while I used it at an awkward angle. Then, halfway through the cut, I noticed the off-cut drooping and knew it was going to damage the piece I was cutting if it dropped too far. I reached to support the droop with my off-hand, which given my angle meant I had to cross under my arm pushing the tool. In a moment I still don't completely understand, the path I sent my hand on did not go directly towards my armpit as I knew I would need to do to keep clear of the tool and instead went under the saw directly. I ended up touching the running saw blade sticking out of the bottom of the piece I was cutting.

A half-dozen different things could have been done differently to avoid the mistake, any one of which is not all that dangerous in isolation, but combined created an incredibly narrow error envelope.

What I didn't consider is that "being extra careful" can change in an instant. One little bump in balance, one little fleeting distraction, one little change of thought as you are mid-task and don't immediately stop to re-evaluate and you blow right on out of your after envelope.

Luckily, I only cut the tips of two fingers. I was able to get them stitched up and they have healed almost completely (there is some thick scar tissue right where my fingers hit keys in my keyboard that serves as a daily reminder).

You don't see this behavior amongst the professionals in the trades who successfully build their businesses from the ground up. Professionals over design their safety envelope. And they still occasionally get hurt. Just not as catastrophicly so.

quesera a day ago | parent | next [-]

> What I didn't consider is that "being extra careful" can change in an instant. One little bump in balance, one little fleeting distraction, one little change of thought as you are mid-task and don't immediately stop to re-evaluate and you blow right on out of your after envelope.

This is a great summary.

Your best-laid plans (with power tools, motor vehicles, gravity, etc) can be completely invalidated with a single twitch (possibly not even your own). If you're operating at the margins of safety, there is no room for that.

And it takes experience to know where you are on the safety spectrum! But even that is sometimes inadequate.

For example, I love my radial arm saw. It's my favorite tool for cross-cutting wood. It's an old Craftsman, from the 1970s or so. I bought it from a furniture manufacturer who used it as an infrequently-used backup tool for ad hoc manual fixups, since new (they had big industrial machines for ordinary manufacturing operations). It was very close to new spec when I bought it, but I've tuned it back to perfect. All of the safety guards (the minimal ones that existed in the 1970s) except the dust hood were removed before I bought it.

Anyway, I love it. But they don't really sell RAS's at the consumer level any more, because people hurt themselves with them too frequently. Table saws are also quite dangerous, apparently. Circular saws are supposed to be the safest option, even more so than miter saws.

So I have a lot of experience with all of these tools, and with my RAS specifically. I think I know where I am on the safety spectrum, which I believe to be acceptably safe. But the statistics say otherwise, and one of us must be wrong. I don't think it's me, and my ten fingers attest to that belief.

Right? Or maybe wrong! I think about this every single time I use the RAS, which is probably a good thing. I guess we'll see.

moron4hire a day ago | parent [-]

I think a lot of the problem with power saws of all kinds is that each one looks nearly identical to the others, but they each are best for specific uses with only a small amount of overlap. Short cross cuts on a table saw are not as safe as using a radial arm saw or circular saw. Long rip cuts with a circular saw are not as safe (or convenient or repeatably precise) as a table saw. But a naive interpretation sees "blade goes around" and thinks "with a little effort, this one tool can do all of this." And, as a hobbiest or on-site worker, you may not have the room for all of those tools. So, you try to make do, and 99 times out of 100 it's fine, maybe not satisfying, but fine. You cut a little over, clean up the edge with other tools, generally just compensate for the shortcomings.

But 1% issues come up a lot when you're working a lot. I'm in the middle of the most complex project I've ever undertaken, a queen-sized bed frame. I'm about $1000 in on wood and $500 in on new tools. All told, ignoring my time (which is fair because this is also an entertainment activity for me), I'll end up saving at least $8500 over similar designs one could buy from a craft woodshop. And it won't fall apart in 5 years like a $1500 bed frame would.

My design doesn't have a lot of complex cuts, but it does have a lot of cuts total. And where I cut myself was in trying to "save money" and build a jig for something that was really only $100 for a new tool. To try to save about 1% of my "profit", I added immeasurable danger. Even with insurance, my urgent care visit was about $250 and recovery took long enough that it threw me out of the flow of getting the project done. I'm almost done now, nearly a year after starting, but only just restarted 3 weeks ago.

Every project is a series of decisions. I started off deciding I didn't want to buy a bed frame because the frames that fit my budget are junk. Once that decision was made, I should have trusted it and stopped trying to readjudicate cost, especially at such a small level.

I do a lot more with hand tools now. I'm not a production wood worker. If the project takes twice as long, it's not bread off my table. But errors in using hand tools are far less likely to end in literal catastrophy. And it really doesn't actually take twice as long. Maybe 25% longer. And it's an order of magnitude cheaper for the tools. And they fit in my basement shop better. Which is probably why you actually see quite a few "hand-tool only" production wood workers in the real world.

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kalaksi a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a good anecdote! I can relate although my mistakes and almost-mistakes aren't related to power tools.

Gud a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Well put!