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Symmetry 2 days ago

Solar prices are coming down quite fast, I don't think a factor of two is going to be a killer here if the storage is cheap and long-lasting enough. Some people are already considering over-provisioning solar panels relative to available transformers/grid connections so that they can maintain output on cloudier days. "What do we do with all the extra power when the belly of the Duck Curve [1] hits the ground" is a problem lots of people are thinking about.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_curve

tgtweak 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

The cost-prohibitive portion of this, which is greatly glossed over in the article and which I showed in my other reply - is that the steam generator required to recover this heat as electricity, is a massive part of the capex - more than half of the entire system end-to-end, including the solar and dirt storage. That makes the economy of it far less viable even with nearly free solar, which we're still quite far from.

pfdietz 2 days ago | parent [-]

This isn't true for high latitude areas, where the overprovisioning that would be needed for solar to work in winter would be massive. This is one of the markets he discusses.

This scheme, if it works, makes PV work great in Alaska.

olejorgenb 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, but then people should start to actual incorporate the full cost of these kind of things in the total cost of solar power when comparing it to other sources.

pbhjpbhj 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I think generating hydrogen for fuel cells seems prima facie a reasonable approach?

elil17 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That has similar efficiency compared to this but probably looks much worse in terms of capex

pfdietz 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Or hydrogen for combined cycle power plants, which have a LHV efficiency in excess of 60%.

This scheme is probably superior though, with lower capex and working at smaller scale, especially if one doesn't have deep salt formations to solution mine for hydrogen storage caverns.