> Information flow requires regulation in any society.

I agree! But where to draw the line? Your examples include crimes (distinct from whatever speech/expression) that are far beyond where anyone is saying should be allowed. This seemed a bit disingenuous to me. I was trying to engender a higher-quality discussion.

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awesome_dude 7 days ago | parent [-]

> But where to draw the line?

That's the thing, when you draw the line you no longer have "free" speech/expression, you only have "speech that's not considered a crime"

The examples are what society have collectively decided are forms of speech/expression (yes they are all speech/expression) that people shouldn't be free to use.

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cobbzilla 6 days ago | parent [-]

Again, totally agree. I don’t think anyone is advocating for anarchy or zero restrictions on speech/expression. So if we’re going to debate where to draw the line, let’s pick examples that folks could reasonably have different opinions about, versus drawing the line so far out and saying “well you’ve crossed this super far line, so anything is fair game”. Anything should not be fair game. What kinds of speech/expression should never be illegal? That is maybe a more interesting question. What conduct is never over the censorship line in your view?

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awesome_dude 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You're completely missing the point.

Your definition of "reasonable" is always going to be someone else's "too broad" or "too narrow", "too woke" or "too fascist". There's no escaping that.

The comment I was replying to was

> "As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny...Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. Commissioner Pravin Lal, 'U.N. Declaration of Rights' "

You've spent your time since trying to define what can and cannot be spoken about - which is exactly what the original comment said was bad.

1. Who Are YOU to define what can or cannot be spoken about?

2. Why do you think that YOUR contributions are "reasonable" but someone pointing out several of the existing restrictions on "free speech" that people happily agree on isn't?

Also, FTR I thought to also include the following speech restrictions:

- Trademark infringement

- Copyright infringement

- Patent infringement

- Non Disclosure Agreements

edit: The fact of the matter is, people generally don't realise how restricted speech is in the world (regardless of where you are)

If a state wants to further censor people all they need to do is convince people that the speech category is harmful in some way or other, and boom, it's illegal.

	▲	cobbzilla 6 days ago \| parent [-]
		I get your point. Ships are passing in the night here. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to successfully articulate the distinction I was trying to make such that you’d understand.