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godelski 4 days ago

  > could not generate sufficient revenue to pay back the loans
I think there's an oversimplification here. Even at 0% interest the government gets returns on those loans. "Death and taxes", right?

Governments aren't people. If I gift you money, that money doesn't come back to me. But if a government gifts someone money, it makes its way back. As long as that money gets spent, there's returns. Even if you die, and even if you don't have that $14m for the death tax, that money still pays dividends back.

The only way it doesn't is if the economy crumbles or that money is taken out of the entire economy (which is much harder to do considering the dollar being the current global currency). So basically you need to light it on fire.

You can do things to slow that flow but it does come back. A low interest loan is just increasing that flow and this is why a negative interest rate can still generate a return. A company can fail and there'd still be returns through taxes in the mean time. The money doesn't just evaporate.

I think a lot conversations about money get weird because we over generalize what money means, applying money's context for an average person more broadly. But money has a very different context when you're talking about governments, corporations, or even billionaires (due to the shear amount). Nor are those examples the same either.

In this case I think it matters. The government already has a stake in Intel, and in all companies. Shares only decrease the pie available to the public while increases the ability for government official to do insider trading and increases nationalization.

entropi 4 days ago | parent [-]

While your arguments are correct, I don't think they are relevant.

Like, for example, the government could give me a few billion bucks and everything you said would still be correct. I would also spend it, etc. etc.

godelski 3 days ago | parent [-]

  > a few billion bucks  ... I would also spend it,
You as a person? No. You might spend some of it but good luck spending even a billion. If you put that in some investment account and just get index funds you'll be making money faster than you can spend it, even if you don't do the typical billionaire shenanigans like getting loans that mature upon death.

You as a company? Sure, you can spend a few billion.

What does this have to do with the comment I responded to? Who knows[0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BknZGQoCFt4