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| ▲ | jeroenhd 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's a cheap and effective drug that has minimal side effects as long as you follow the instructions on the packaging. Pretty much all of the alternatives are worse. Ibuprofen is usually rated to be on the same level (damaging your kidneys rather than your liver during long term use) but from what I've read I believe the potential side effects are more extreme (i.e. the elevated stroke/heart attack risk). Using any pain medication for prolonged periods of time without consulting a doctor is dangerous. Many people do it, and most are absolutely fine, but when things go wrong, things go terribly wrong. |
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| ▲ | crmd 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I had kidney stone surgery (laser lithotripsy) in Manhattan last Friday morning and literally the first thing I was given after changing into the paper gown was 2 500mg Tylenol pills and a cup of water. I don’t know if you’re a physician but the medical staff in manhattan tend to be at the top of their game, and they are cool with Tylenol. |
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| ▲ | CyberDildonics 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Are you saying one of the most used drugs on the planet is safe just because someone gave it to you in manhattan? | |
| ▲ | akk0 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Being safe acutely after surgery does not necessarily translate into being healthy over decades when habitually used as a hangover cure. | | |
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| ▲ | tecleandor 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If I ever had to say anything about Paracetamol, it would be: Remember: Paracetamol is hepatotoxic, very strong for your liver. Never take it if you have been drinking alcohol or have a weak/damaged liver. Paracetamol is the worst thing you can have for hungover: it might reduce your headache but will hurt a liver that it's already under pressure by the alcohol you drank last night. In moderation, as prescribed, shouldn't be bad. I'm more of an ibuprofen guy though (although I rarely take it). |
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| ▲ | cfu28 3 days ago | parent [-] | | While true, this is slightly overblown. I work at a liver transplant center where we treat patients with end stage liver disease and Tylenol is often the safest choice given these patients comorbidities. Granted, they’re getting their liver labs checked 1-2 times a day and are under close supervision but < 2g acetaminophen a day is considered fine. [I am not your doctor this is not medical advice] | | |
| ▲ | Scubabear68 3 days ago | parent [-] | | My cousin worked in a toxicology lab in a hospital. Way back in the 80s he was commenting on how understudied and under published Acetaminophen toxicity was. In particular, taking Tylenol for hangovers was (and still is) a common but very dangerous practice. As others have said, it is crazy easy to overdose on the stuff and suffer liver damage. |
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| ▲ | mctt 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes, https://www.thisamericanlife.org/505/use-only-as-directed The episode shows how even small overdoses of acetaminophen can cause fatal liver damage, while decades of FDA delays and confusing drug labeling left millions of Americans at risk. |
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| ▲ | astrange 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Tylenol is very safe if taken as prescribed. The overdose amount is relatively low, but not uniquely low. The alternatives are worse - ibuprofen destroys your stomach lining if taken at the regular dose for too long. | | |
| ▲ | yes_man 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Ibuprofen also increases risk of strokes and NSAIDs have been linked to increased risk of intracerebral hemorrhage. It’s a question of whether benefits outweigh cons on population level and I am not an expert, but recommending ibuprofen over acetaminophen might be over-simplifying things. It depends on the person (their meds, their pre-existing conditions, their genetics etc) | |
| ▲ | rsync 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Tylenol is very safe if taken as prescribed. The overdose amount is relatively low, but not uniquely low." The issue is that the overdose of Paracetamol is relatively similar to the effective, or safe, dose: "(overdose) of paracetamol is caused by taking more than the recommended maximum daily dose of paracetamol for healthy adults (three or four grams),[38] and can cause potentially fatal liver damage. A single dose should not exceed 1000 mg ..." [1] See the problem ? A mere 3x the single dose puts one in "potentially fatal liver damage" territory. This problem is compounded dramatically in small children where errors in the estimation of the child's weight can put you half way to overdose before you even start. Now add a meniscus error as you fill a clear plastic cup in the middle of the night ... or Mom gives a dose at 5am without knowing that Dad already gave a dose at 2am ... ugh. Compare this to Aspirin where the overdose is as high as 15-30x the effective dose. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol#Overdose | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Tylenol is very safe if taken as prescribed I’ll note that if you aren’t used to taking Tylenol, be mindful of the difference between extra and regular strength. My dentist just wrote down a number of Tylenols to take every X hours, and I took them, but because they were extra strength I started hallucinating and chugging water during, I think, Detective Pikachu or some nonsense like it. My liver came out of it fine. But if I’d taken another handful poison control said they would have directed me to the ER. One more after that and it would have been permanent liver damage. | |
| ▲ | Lammy 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > ibuprofen destroys your stomach lining if taken at the regular dose for too long. This is how the VA killed my dad :/ | |
| ▲ | epcoa 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | ibuprofen and similar are also much more likely to destroy your kidneys as well and exacerbate heart disease. Intermittent regular dose use is unlikely to cause kidney harm but people get in trouble in two ways: chronic extended use of higher “therapeutic” doses (800mg for ibuprofen) or they have other medical problems weakening kidney function. |
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| ▲ | rikafurude21 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I always reach for aspirin for mild pain and people have this weird idea that its way more dangerous than paracetamol because its a blood thinner and "what if you bleed for some reason and it doesnt stop" - How is that worse than guaranteed liver damage if you take paracetamol? It almost seems like there was this big push to get people away from Aspirin to tylenol and thats why people have that idea stuck in their heads |
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| ▲ | rootusrootus 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | NSAIDs (which includes more than aspirin, to be fair) cause like three orders of magnitude more injuries every year than paracetamol. The majority of incidents of liver damage from paracetamol are intentional. | |
| ▲ | epcoa 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because it is way more dangerous. Guaranteed liver damage is nonsense. Aspirin and other non selective NSAIDs are much more likely to cause GI bleeding, kidney and heart problems. An aspirin here or there is probably fine but multiple day dosing of full dose aspirin for chronic pain has gotten a lot of middle age people to bleed out their GI tract and end up dead. |
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| ▲ | KevinMS 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Excedrin is the only thing besides morphine that cures my occasional but brutal headaches. |
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| ▲ | nkmnz 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Do you happen to be a heavy coffee drinker? Caffeine withdrawal can cause immense pain, as I can confirm from first hand experience. For me, it starts ~24 hrs after the last coffee and it usually takes a very strong double espresso and a nap to get back to normal. Maybe Exedrin's Caffeine + Aspirin + Paracetamol has the same effect for you? | |
| ▲ | Ameo 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Those have caffeine in them right? I'm sure you know your body well, but that could be part of what's helping you as well; could be constricting blood vessels or something like that | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Agreed. The one thing that invariably works for me is Excedrin. Not too surprising given it has all three of the most likely solutions in a single pill. |
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