I see no way to have censorship and freedom and common good at the same time, so good of society is out of question - unless you don't value freedom at all.

It is a tool that entrenches current powers that be, system wise. Who decides what the "common" good is? the one in power.

It also hides societal problems and signals that could be used for policymaking.

The acceptance of censorship honestly scares me, and i grew up on stories of oppressive communist regime - full of censorship, secret police etc.

and frankly, commercial censorship might be even worse - it is a "for profit" enterprise, common good be damned.

and one last thing - even if you fully trust your current government, you're just one elections away from something vastly different. They will have access to the same powers that you've granted them(indirectly, by voting).

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immibis 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

So you don't believe child porn should be illegal?

Everyone believes in censorship for the common good. People don't agree what should be censored for the common good.

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Xelbair 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Going straight for the loaded question and making extra assumptions? nice.

the issue with it isn't just in itself, but the fact that there's no way to make it without abuse.

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jack1243star 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> So you don't believe child porn should be illegal?

The Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse strike again!

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immibis 4 days ago | parent [-]

It's a serious question - can you answer it?

If you believe nothing should be censored, then you believe child porn shouldn't be censored, so please either square that circle, or weaken the argument to "I believe this thing shouldn't be censored"

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jack1243star 4 days ago | parent [-]

Child abuse is already illegal. Law enforcement tracks down creator? Good. Court orders website owner to take down material? Good. ISP preemptively decides what to block? Bad.

CP is often used as an "I win" card in this kind of arguments, as it can stir up emotions in the general public, in favor of ever expanding scope of surveillance and censorship. We should be extra aware of this.

	▲	immibis 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		You still haven't answered the question that I actually asked. I didn't say "should child abuse be illegal?". I said "should child porn be illegal?". You said it's good if a court orders the website owner to block the material, i.e. censors it, so I assume you're pro-censorship for child porn and likely also support jail time for those who possess it. In which case, please do not claim to oppose all censorship.

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coffee_am 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

imho that is just silly ... I can see various ways censorship and freedom and common good at the same time. Actually, I can imagine different set ups where this could work...

But then, you have to define these things. E.g.: freedom of person "A" to kill person "B" infringes on person "B" freedom of come and go and not be killed (by "A" or anyone else) ... so what is freedom. "Common good" is even more complicated ... who should defined it ? And how ?

On the other topic, I for one think that censorship of AI generated content and fake news, as well as AI generated ordering of results should be censored. But it's not that easy, and implementing that is an even bigger can of worms.

	▲	Xelbair 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		the issue is how do you prove the content was written by AI? > But then, you have to define these things. E.g.: freedom of person "A" to kill person "B" infringes on person "B" freedom of come and go and not be killed (by "A" or anyone else) ... so what is freedom. "Common good" is even more complicated ... who should defined it ? And how ? even worse - how do you make sure the definition of such terms stays up to date with changing times?