I mean, I'm conscious to a degree, and can alter that state through a number of activities. I can't speak for you or Metzinger ;).

But seriously, I get why free will is troubleaome, but the fact people can choose a thing, work at the thing, and effectuate the change against a set of options they had never considered before an initial moment of choice is strong and sufficient evidence against anti free will claims. It is literally what free will is.

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andreasmetsala 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> But seriously, I get why free will is troubleaome, but the fact people can choose a thing, work at the thing, and effectuate the change against a set of options they had never considered before an initial moment of choice is strong and sufficient evidence against anti free will claims.

Do people choose a thing or was the thing chosen for them by some inputs they received in the past?

	▲	prmph 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Our minds and intuitive logic systems are too feeble to grasp how free will can be a thing. It's like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a well educated person or scientist from the 16th century without the benefit of experimental evidence. No way they'd believe you. In fact, they'd accuse you of violating basic logic.
	▲	tomrod 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yes to both, but the first is possible in a vacuum and therefore free will exists.