I don't see how your explanation leads to consciousness not being a thing. Consciousness is whatever process/mechanisms there are that as a whole produce our subjective experience and all its sensations, including but not limited to touch, vision, smell, taste, pain, etc.

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frabcus 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

You've missed our consciousness of our inner experiences. They are more varied than just perception at the footlights of our consciousness (cf Hurlburt):

Imagination, inner voice, emotion, unsymbolized conceptual thinking as well as (our reconstructed view of our) perception.

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exe34 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

oh no, those people without an inner voice are now cowering in a corner...

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Jensson 3 days ago | parent [-]

Everyone has some introspection into their own thoughts, it just takes different forms.

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exe34 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

[citation needed]

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prmph 2 days ago | parent [-]

Let's be careful of creating different classes of consciousness, and declaring people to be on lower rungs of it.

Sure, some aspects of consciousness might differ a bit for different people, but so long as you have never had another's conscious experience, I'd be wary of making confident pronouncements of what exactly they do or do not experience.

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galangalalgol 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

You can take their word for it, but yes, that is unreliable. I don't typically have an internal narrative, it takes effort. I sometimes have internal dialogue to think through an issue by taking various sides of it. Usually it is quiet in there. Or there is music playing. This is the most replies I have ever received. I think I touched a nerve by suggesting to people they do not exist.

	▲	prmph 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I get you somewhat, but remember, you do not have another consciousness to compare with your own; it could be that what others call an internal narrative is exactly what you are experiencing; it just that they choose to describe it differently from you

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exe34 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not the one who made a list of things AI couldn't do. Every time we try to exclude hypothetical future machines from consciousness, we exclude real living people today.

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jjaksic 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Introspection is just a debugger (and not a very good one).

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EMIRELADERO 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

True! Thanks for pointing that out.

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idiotsecant 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

any old model can have inputs much more varied than just the senses we are limited to. That doesn't mean they're conscious.