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bko 3 days ago

I agree with everything you wrote. But the real harm with most of these regulations are the unintended consequences, and second order effects.

Say you don't really think <10k cars belong on the road. Sure. But that could just lead to more dangerous forms of transportation like e-bikes or scooters. Or people are restricted to where they can work and live.

An example in the US is Obama era fuel efficiency standards for sedans had lower standards for SUVs. Fast-forward 20 years, nearly every car is an SUV. But it takes a few steps to figure out what the effects actually are.

watwut 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

E-bikes are literally good for your health. Especially for aging people and people that would not ride normal bike that distance. They are also massively more safe for third parties you encounter.

The move from cars to e-bikes would be generally unintended benefit

spixy 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

e-bike is one of the best modes of transportation in city

as far as there is cycling infrastructure

immibis 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've never heard of an e-bike or a scooter killing someone.

beAbU 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Happens a couple of times a year here in Ireland. Usually an old and frail pedestrian and a teen recklessly driving a very powerful (i.e. illegal or should-be-illegal) e-scooter.

iamacyborg 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51707616

zimpenfish 2 days ago | parent [-]

To be fair, that's an illegally-modified, illegally-on-the-road e-bike; not exactly the stock device.

iamacyborg 2 days ago | parent [-]

I’m pretty sure most non-rental e-bikes in London are ones that are illegal to have on the road.

ninalanyon 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It has happened several time in the last few years in Norway and UK. Most were the riders themselves but at least once in Norway it was a pedestrian.

It's rare but not unknown.

ranger_danger 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What is your definition of an e-bike "killing someone"? What will you accept as evidence?

littlecosmic 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But how sure are you that it was the fuel efficiency standards that led to more SUVs? Feels like bad reasoning, unless you have more evidence.

xethos 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> that could just lead to more dangerous forms of transportation like e-bikes or scooters.

Yeah, removing mass and decreasing velocity, while increasing sightlines and the controller's stake in avoiding accidents, is much more dangerous. /s