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lostlogin 3 days ago

So it lasted about 2k years where it was, then was removed, put in storage and damaged by moths in the museum?

skybrian 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Roman Egypt preserves a much larger slice of our evidence than any other place in the ancient world. This comes down to climate (as do most things); Egypt is a climatically extreme place. On the one hand, most of the country is desert and here I mean hard desert, with absolutely minuscule amounts of precipitation. On the other hand, the Nile River creates a fertile, at points almost lush, band cutting through the country running to the coast. The change between these two environments is extremely stark [...]

> That in turn matters because while Egypt was hardly the only arid region Rome controlled, it was the only place you were likely to find very many large settlements and lots of people living in such close proximity to such extremely arid environments (other large North African settlements tend to be coastal). And that in turn matters for preservation.

https://acoup.blog/2022/12/02/collections-why-roman-egypt-wa...

metalman 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

yep, the worlds oldest shirt was found in an ancient rubbish pile in eygypt, nice shirt, but obviosly thrown out from ancient wear and tear.....it NEVER rains in eygypt...or to be exact any area can expect rain once in 400 years or something ludicrous, so ya stuff just sits, and in just the right conditions lasts for millenia, so we have ancient chit chat letters sent back and forth between women that represent the earliest first person dialogs in existance

edit, on reflection there are older summerian letters sent back and forth by traders in....cloth, who had a "shop" in one city/country but the main production was in mesoptsmia proper, and if memory serves the distant trader was a woman asking for more products to sell, and again other chit chat, but both instances required exceptional conditions and the use of very durable materials, papyrus paper and dried and protected clay

kibwen 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

We're never going to let Ea-nasir live this down. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-n%C4%81...

ChrisMarshallNY 3 days ago | parent [-]

He was complaining to "Lord Bezos," about receiving sub-standard material.

I'll just get my coat...

goscript 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> it NEVER rains in eygypt...or to be exact any area can expect rain once in 400 years or something ludicrous,

The northern part of the country receives some rainfall in the winter. heavy winter rains occasionally cause flooding in Cairo, Ptolemaic Egypt was centered around Alexandria, which gets the most rain in the country - about 200 mm (7.87 in) annually. while that's still relatively low, it's not nearly as extreme as you make it seem.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Egypt#Rainfall

metalman 2 days ago | parent [-]

it is as extreme as I make it out to be in many places in eygypt, links from your link

city of 400000, where it does not rain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asyut#Climate

ancient heart of eygypt, modern city of 250000 where the rain is a sort of academic thing that can be proven scientificly, but will never get the ground wet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor#Climate

thaumasiotes 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> but both instances required exceptional conditions and the use of very durable materials, papyrus paper and dried and protected clay

Note that papyrus is not a "very durable material"; it's an extremely fragile one.

Papyrus records survive in Egypt, and only in Egypt, because nothing ever spoils in Egypt no matter how fragile it might be.

Cuneiform records survive all over the cuneiform-using world because they are very durable if you set fire to them.

cwmoore 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Great context, but in reminding me of Bob Dylan’s Rainy Day Women #12 & 35, potentially many conversations from even those most auspicious regions went unpreserved.