it doesn't seem like a hard concept. they're non-binary. they don't identify as either side of the biological sex spectrum and are therefore okay with any pronouns. it's also common in trans-accepting communities to preemptively list your pronouns, even if you're cisgender, and even if you're happy with any pronouns

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respondo2134 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

what's the point of listing almost-but-not-all competing pronouns? How does that help someone respect their desired choice if "they're all good"?

	▲	93po a day ago \| parent [-]
		normalizing the offering and asking of pronouns, even if you're cisgender, is a good thing to do for people who do want to use different pronouns: 1. it shows that you're respectful of people's genders and you're a safe person to interact with without surprise transphobia that we constantly see 2. it causes bigoted people to bristle a little bit, and maybe over time these people will see that they're losing their battles and maybe start to embrace that they're actually the asshole and pronouns have literally no impact on them 3. normalizing asking and offering of pronouns gives people who use them more comfort in doing so themselves because it is extremely frequently met with hate speech and ridicule 4. accepting all pronouns is sometimes also an indication that you experience gender euphoria when people change them up, it feels nice to be seen for more than your genitals, and that you're a person who expresses themselves in non-binary ways. 5. it can also be a signal that hey, im sort of trans and queer and you're going to notice this, so im getting ahead of that by just stating up front to not expect manly things of me despite me having a penis i really dont understand how people are supporters of gay rights and don't see the massive parallels to when people who are gay were casually and constanty the victims of violence, murder, discrimination, and it was okay to just outwardly be like "gays are evil, they're going to kidnap all our kids, they're going to burn in hell".

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bobalob 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sex is neither a spectrum nor an identity.

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93po a day ago | parent [-]

intersex people disagree, and i'm clearly talking about not identifying with the traits that society-at-large attributes to the sexes and not that you have a vagina but dont identify as having a vagina (which would also be valid but im not going to argue with you on this)

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bobalob a day ago | parent [-]

> intersex people disagree

Not really. Each of these conditions can be understood and described in terms of male and/or female sex development. The "spectrum" rhetoric obfuscates detail.

> the traits that society-at-large attributes to the sexes

This is just sexist stereotyping though. Doesn't mean you're neither woman nor man if you don't adhere to these stereotypes. That's absurd.

The problem with "non-binary" is that it is inherently sexist in the worldview it describes.

	▲	93po 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Not really. Each of these conditions can be understood and described in terms of male and/or female sex development. The "spectrum" rhetoric obfuscates detail. im not sure i follow. you can have either XY and XX chromosomes, but how your body develops depends on a ton of things, and there are millions of people who have non-traditional development (or complete non-development) of secondary sex characteristics. yes, we're all humans, and we all have a fundamental baseline of how our bodies ideally develop in terms of being a reproductive species, but it's vast oversimplification to say either you have a dick or puss and there's no consideration needed for when things are more complicated than that i should have been more clear and used gender instead of sex. > The problem with "non-binary" is that it is inherently sexist in the worldview it describes. i think using a label like non-binary is because of the sexist worldview that already exists. if it was normalized and not frequently ostracized for people with penises to wear women's clothing, makeup, heels, have long hair, do their nails (or the same in the opposite direction), then i agree we maybe wouldnt need a label like non-binary.