1) they also brought about net zero, do you think they're so different?

2) labour are absolutely balls deep on this. "If you use a VPN you are either Jimmy saville or worse Nigel farage" says Peter Kyle.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/29/peter-kyle-...

The meta point here is that both parties are basically the dregs of the last generation of politicians to not be "native" to the interner and are now having one last go at ramming it into a box (e.g. all the bad stuff is shoved into X dot com) which they can ban.

The thing is there's a decent chance it'll work. We have beaten out any liberal or even conservative sentiment in mass consciousness

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antonvs 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> all the bad stuff is shoved into X dot com) which they can ban.

I'm not entirely convinced that's a bad thing.

We need outlets for free speech, but who those outlets are controlled by matters. Look at the impact Murdoch has had over the past many decades. That's what we want to stop.

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southernplaces7 2 days ago | parent [-]

>We need outlets for free speech, but who those outlets are controlled by matters.

What kind of nonsense is this? Have you considered the logic of your comment? Free speech is good, but let's reserve the legal right to control who builds platforms for it so that its the "correct" Kind of free speech. Of course there's no risk at all of that being grossly misused to crush real free speech.

For all the Murdoch fear mongering, there's no shortage at all of progressive, left-leaning media publications, news channels and organizations, globally or in any developed, more or less democratic country you care to look at. Would you support a conservative government shaklling them because of claims about their impact?

	▲	antonvs 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Governments actively enable people like Murdoch and Musk and their businesses. That's not a requirement to have robust free speech.

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jrflowers 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

>The meta point here is that both parties are basically the dregs of the last generation of politicians

No it’s not. That is a completely different point than what you initially made. You specifically called out leftists for causing the OSA and then tried to pivot to saying “by leftists I actually meant everyone” after someone pointed out that your point was invalid because you were factually wrong

	▲	mhh__ 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		The meta- part of that sentence would imply it's a different scale. And I obviously don't mean "everyone" or I wouldn't have made the distinction. There is almost zero distinction on social policy between most of the current labour front bench and a Tory wet. Other than the latter being more pro-trans