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pjerem 3 days ago

I’d say it’s barely 3 things :

- The trackpad (but other manufacturers now have tolerable alternatives and anyway you can work without it)

- The screen : at an equivalent price point (and even more), nothing comes close to Apple screens. The cheapest MacBook have a better screen than most high end PCs.

- The audio : Apple truly did some sorcery to get such an awesome sound from machines that are flat as sheet. It’s so good that you can watch a movie on your MacBook without earbuds and don’t be bothered.

Everything else like build quality is overall better than most other alternatives but a few other manufacturers are also good at it.

I say this as someone who uses a MacBook for work despite loving Linux and who hates what macOS have become. The hardware is really that good.

baq 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Also add a very important feature of ‘lid is closed - the computer is asleep and it wakes up when lid opens’. Both windows and Linux are simply broken in that regard.

What I need is Apple MacBook hardware with a 100% supported Linux OS. This combination simply doesn’t exist and there’s no amount of money to make it happen (yes I know about asahi.)

rjzzleep 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's not really Linux' fault. Most It's Microsoft that forced this, and most vendors don't know how to deal with this and work proper firmware. I think Framework and Valve fixed theirs. I have a GPD and just found out that the reason I kept getting it wake from sleep was some MS related option triggering an ACPI IRQ 9 sleep wake.

On another note, I actually think that the most important things that work better on the Apple devices is the mic and camera, the rest is somewhat unimportant on the go if you work at a desk.

baq 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

As a user I don't care whose fault is it. I want my laptop to go to sleep when I close the lid; I want it to stay asleep while the lid is closed; I want it to wake when I open the lid. Only macs seem to be able to do that consistently; I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but over the past decade I haven't found a counterexample yet.

commandersaki 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think that's even true with my m3 mbp16. I haven't tweaked with the power settings but I'm pretty sure it is in a connected sleep state when I close the lid; at least when I'm hotspotting my phone will register it as a connected device.

alanpearce 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

This can be enabled or disabled under the System Settings > Battery > Options > Wake for network access (Always / Power adapter / Never). Or possibly the phone registers it as connected for a while after it sends its last packet?

mbreese 2 days ago | parent [-]

IIRC, Macs also do tricky networking things to make it faster to come back online from sleep. I'd be curious if the computer is actually sending packets vs. just keeping the address configured and waiting.

(That may just be on iOS though...)

leeman2016 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, I can confirm. But i thought that was by design

megatron2009 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dell latitude laptops sleep very reliably. I have had 4 in a row now since 2007.

Also as a side note, as a user, I agree you don't care whose fault is it, but then this is hacker news where we are interested in whose fault it is.

mrj 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve never had a problem with a system76 or tuxedo computers laptop using suspend correctly. If you want it to just work, you may need to buy from a manufacturer who you pay to make it just work. Otherwise you’re comparing a dyi setup to Apple.

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KerrAvon 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I think Intel is partially at fault. On Apple’s Intel hardware, suspend and resume worked, but it was very slow due to the weirdly baroque power management. The M1 MacBooks were a revelation; the screen woke instantly when you opened it.

rjzzleep 2 days ago | parent [-]

AMD removed s3 suspend support on Phoenix due to Microsoft pressure. So you can enter S3, but the GPU can't resume from it.

brabel 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My god I had to put my Linux (Dell xps13 with Ubuntu from factory, though I installed KDE later) laptop in the drawer as I just couldn’t make it sleep with the lid down. It would simply wake up in the middle of the night and drive me crazy with the fan!! I loved that laptop but it gave me trouble after trouble (stuff like sound breaking after upgrades, Bluetooth failures and many more). My Mac just worked so I use only that now. Though it is old now, around 6 years, and I have to buy a new one soon. Luckily they are having good discount on the M4 right now as I suppose M5 is coming next month?!

dingnuts 2 days ago | parent [-]

funny, I had this problem with my last Mac ten years ago. ymmv ig

fredoliveira 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Intel macs sometimes went crazy with fans. The leap from those to Apple Silicon hardware was (to me at least) as impactful as HDD to SSD.

Der_Einzige 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Get your head out of the sand. It’s an intel X86 (hence why you had it) problem. Macs current ARM chips are excellent at sleeping and waking correctly

makeitdouble 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the computer is asleep

Technically the macbook never sleeps, it enters a low power mode, except when it's blocked by specific processes or does additional background tasks (updates etc.)

How well it's done on windows or linux depends on the maker of the machine (you, if you built it). The Surface lineup will also enter low power mode as flawlessly, if that's what you care about the most.

baq 2 days ago | parent [-]

As a user I care about the damn thing not using up the whole battery overnight, not playing sounds and not running any fans; and I also care that when I open the lid, it’ll happily start doing those things because I now need it to do them. Whether technically it’s called a sleep state or not is irrelevant.

makeitdouble 2 days ago | parent [-]

I made the distinction because on occasions you'll close the lid, put the macbook in your backpack and an hour later it's a whole furnace in there.

It kinda matters.

baq 2 days ago | parent [-]

> I made the distinction because on occasions you'll close the lid, put the macbook in your backpack and an hour later it's a whole furnace in there.

As a laptop user this just makes me depressed :(

andoando 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can dual boot Asahi Linux

https://asahilinux.org/fedora/

piskov 3 days ago | parent [-]

It seams asaho is basically dead at this point.

Prominent maintainers quit and in a couple of months there will be two years since latest m3+ macs are unsupported

GeekyBear 3 days ago | parent [-]

> It seams asaho is basically dead at this point.

This month's Asahi blog post begs to differ.

> This completes our transition to a fully upstream graphics stack, and as such we are retiring our Mesa fork completely...

we have managed to upstream a little over 20% of our entire patch set in just under five months.

https://asahilinux.org/2025/08/progress-report-6-16/

coliveira 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's another issue: Windows keeps turning off the screen after a few minutes of idle time, no matter what I try. They have options to control this, but the hardware seems to override these options for some reason.

goosedragons 2 days ago | parent [-]

Download Power Toys and use Awake. Will keep the screen on if you want.

megatron2009 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Blame microsoft for it with their crazy si0x experiment breaking everyone.

me551ah 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also durability. I’m shocked that something that looks so good can withstand by downright abuse. I hold my MacBook Pro with one hand and fling it around and I’ve lost track of the number of times it has fallen down. But except for some chips at random places, it works perfectly fine

pixxel 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

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goyagoji 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not really sure that's remarkable, maybe compared to the netbook level machines. Now that HDs are gone the only cause of failure I see from my coworkers is extended vacations and remote work in tropical climates.

Brybry 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I threw a 15" Dell laptop from the early aughts into a wall (for reasons I am not proud of), hard enough to put a hole in the sheet rock, and the laptop still worked fine.

Cracked the plastic case a bit but that was it. The most amazing part to me was not the HDD surviving but the LCD backlight. This back was when they still used those super fragile thin CCFLs.

goyagoji 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah, I guess the point of the thread was to share only data points consistent with the distortion.

rangestransform 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The audio is magic because Apple overdrives their speakers by analyzing the signal to stay under the sustained power limit of the speaker, instead of clipping everything at the sustained power limit.

https://forum.devtalk.com/t/a-reason-why-mac-speakers-sound-...

elcritch 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I'd argue they're technically not over-driving them if the speakers survive and work well. Rather it's that other vendors are under driving their speakers by using a simplistic algorithm.

Apple is actually driving their speakers closer to their actual physical limits which are driven by average power not peak momentary power.

pjerem 2 days ago | parent [-]

Actually they do over drive them. I think it is explained in the asahi sound driver GitHub which reverse engineered the Apple driver.

IIRC, there is an algorithm which overdrives the speakers in physically dangerous zones only on some frequencies and only in short bursts of time with a throttle until the next over drive if necessary.

For the user it’s transparent because we are talking about timings in milliseconds so except if you play a static frequency you can’t notice anything.

Asahi explained that they had to reverse engineer this because they didn’t understand why the sound was so bad on Linux.

woleium 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

so someone could write an app for windows to do the same thing?

LorenDB 2 days ago | parent [-]

Asahi Linux already is doing it for Linux: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/asahi-audio

wolvesechoes 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Guy is talking about laptop lasting for 5 years as not something that is special, and you respond with awesome sound quality.

Apple threads are always so funny.

newsclues 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Have you used the cheap Dells and HP laptops that most people buy (not high end IBM machines)?

They tend to be plastic junk.

Yes thinkpads are good, but most laptops are trash disposable hardware

rwyinuse 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

They are plastic junk, but even they are likely to remain technically functional for more than 5 years. It's mainly things like battery life, screen & keyboard quality that make those laptops annoying.

MangoToupe 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> even they are likely to remain technically functional for more than 5 years

Every plastic laptop I've bought has busted within two years, whether it's mechanical stress or poor heat design. They feel less like reliable tools and more like toys. Looking specifically at you, thinkpads.

Meanwhile, the MacBook Pro I bought for myself for college 17 years ago still boots. The battery is dead, but that's an incredibly long life for any hardware of that complexity.

LtWorf 3 days ago | parent [-]

Booting once a year isn't "life" for a computer.

kiliancs 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

In my experience and my family's you are lucky if they last 3 years. If they last 5 years there's usually a subpar experience, e.g. they overheat significantly at 2 years. OTOH, we have a few macbooks > 10 years still working.

goyagoji 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

There's the need to dust fans and then there's the possibility that OS computing requirements have risen which isn't often a Linux thing on old hardware.. OsX had exactly the same problem and had to make a minimizing release IIRC.

Computing kind of stagnated since 2010 and plenty of hardware since then still works fine today and is usable enough for many tasks. Apple was nice for needing not all that many different drivers but its statnge integrations like drive fans to bios are obnoxious.

LtWorf 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

And macbooks aren't overheating?

I've owned old macbooks… I got scalded by the metal screws on the bottom in the summer because apple thought looking sleek was more important than proper cooling.

kiliancs 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

The other laptops overheat soon after purchasing, often with just the bare OS running. There is a 3 yo laptop that my parents still use, but it has to always be plugged in, and the fans will spin loudly even in suspension.

My >10 yo macbooks also have bad batteries. One of them won't last one minute, and will also overheat with minor workloads. They were not immune to overheating when new, but unreasonable overhearing (for the time) definitely didn't become an issue at within 3 years of purchase.

And that's with Intel macbooks. My M1 from Dec 2020 works like new (I'm sure the battery life has shortened, but not in a way that I notice). It overheated a couple times running LLMs—that's it. That's how I know the fans work.

LtWorf 2 days ago | parent [-]

Put KDE and see the overheating disappear.

JustExAWS 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ARM MacBooks aren’t overheating.

piskov 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

No, it was intel piece of shit that promised new nodes for years and never delivered.

Macs were designed up to the thermal specs that should have been but never came.

Hence the m1: enough is enough

bluecalm 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am on my 3rd Thinkpad already and while I still like them they are not close to Apple quality. On my current one keyboard touches the screen when it's closed so the screen becomes dirty quickly. After Windows 11 upgrade it auto-dims on battery after like 30 seconds and I can't figure a way to turn it off. Hibernation never worked properly (apparently AMD/Windows issue). You don't need to deal with any of that on a Macbook. I would switch instantly if I didn't need to run Windows.

LtWorf 3 days ago | parent [-]

> Hibernation never worked properly

You can blame microsoft for that unfortunately. They made the vendors to change how it all works to workaround windows issues and it didn't even work.

coliveira 3 days ago | parent [-]

It is amazing that after decades Microsoft still cannot nail such an important usability issue... There's no way I can use Windows laptops full time.

LtWorf 2 days ago | parent [-]

Problem is they screwed it up for linux users as well, due to hw changes.

extraisland 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The consumer ones yes. The business are very reliable, and easy to repair.

I always buy second hand / refurb of repairable models.

I've been burned by Apple before. Not touching their stuff again.

strix_varius 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Uh he provided counter points to your distortion field comment, he doesn't have to just +1 the exact point of view of the parent comment.

But here I'll bite: I've had MBPs for work for like 15 years now and I bought a personal high spec Thinkpad. I now regret that purchase because my work machine is better than my personal machine in literally every way. My over $2k Thinkpad just sits there gathering dust because I don't want to use it. And unlike MacBooks, the secondary market for it is nothing so I can't just sell it and recover most of the loss.

commandersaki 3 days ago | parent [-]

My 12" powerbook from 2002 lasted well into 2011 until I formally retired it by giving to a mate.

Most of my macbook airs have lasted at least 7 to 8 years. None have actually died and were still intact, but I just gave them away, so I don't know how much longer they lasted.

My 2015 macbook pro (pre butterfly) is still going strong today; I did a battery replacement myself which was a huge pain in the arse, so it definitely feels replenished.

I have replaced many of my family members laptops with M-series laptops, nay issue, and I have a feeling they'll easily go a decade, though at some point they'll all need the battery replaced (but I will probably just have Apple do it this time - unless it is easy now with the repair manuals being available by Apple).

drcongo 2 days ago | parent [-]

I only recently retired a 2011 MacBook Pro which was running clamshell constantly for nearly all that time, with only one battery replacement due to swelling.

pxc 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The sound on MacBooks is impressively loud and clear, but it's also not actually good sound. Because it couldn't be, in that form factor. So for things where you actually care about good sound (i.e., music, movies, TV), you probably still want headphones or speakers anyway.

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breakfastduck 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

it does actually sound good

pxc 3 days ago | parent [-]

If you bought even a small bluetooth speaker that sounded the same as an MBP, you'd think "this thing kinda sucks... no bass, but at least it's small; what do you expect". Either that or you aren't someone who cares about sound (which is fine)

blep-arsh 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I have a stereo system with a DSP which I've spent quite a bit of time adjusting with tools like REW. I do care. I'm obviously adjusting my expectations because the laptop is indeed small but it really does sound great and I prefer it to typically boomy resonating bass-heavy tuning of small speakers. It's also very good at stereo separation, can even do behind-the-listener flyby from a Dolby Atmos test file.

KerrAvon 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I’ll wager you have not listened to high-quality music or movies on a recent MacBook Pro. I’ve never heard a BT speaker of any size sound that good.

(The HomePod Mini sounds quality really sucks by comparison, FWIW.)

pxc 2 days ago | parent [-]

> I’ll wager you have not listened to high-quality music or movies on a recent MacBook Pro.

Because of this conversation, I just watched Ne Zha (the first one, from 2019) on my M1-generation MacBook Pro. It sounded okay. I didn't hate it like I'd hate listening on a tablet or something. But...

> I’ve never heard a BT speaker of any size sound that good.

My MacBook Pro didn't sound as good as the smallest bluetooth speaker that I personally own and use (Marshall Kilburn), which is battery powered and whose primary daily use in my life is playing podcasts while I shower. It definitely didn't sound as good as the budget brand PC speakers I use with my TV (Edifier 1700BTs), either-- with or without a subwoofer. It didn't even sound as good as my wireless earbuds, let alone my headphones.

I don't think my tastes are that fancy. I've never had a surround sound setup. I've never tried a pair of IEMs. I've never owned or pursued a "audiophile"-grade equipment. I'm not a basshead, either.

I can appreciate some of the nice qualities of my MacBook's speakers relative to the form factor. But at the end of the day it still clearly falls in the "not real speakers" bucket. They're laptop speakers, not magic.

udev4096 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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Sayrus 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a mostly Dell user I'd add the camera and microphone: the difference in quality on a standalone laptop is just mind blowing. Audio output can be tuned with the right equalizer profile but microphone filtering and camera quality just doesn't come anywhere close to a Macbook.

goosedragons 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The MBA screen is /alright/. It's better than a lot of Windows machines but you can get better for the price for sure. I'd argue the screens in the Surface line are comparable and arguably better, 3:2, brighter, 120Hz at basically the same price. And there's loads of 4K OLED Windows laptops if you're willing to pay for them.

Apple screens also tend to have pretty bad response times too. They are sharp and color accurate but fall down in places.

kelipso 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Even the Air has a great builtin webcam, so I don’t have to carry around a webcam like I used to do with my old laptop (which is more than 8 years old and I still use because it has replaceable batteries and ssd lol).

goosedragons 3 days ago | parent [-]

Somewhat unfair since it's technically a tablet, but the Surface Pro webcam is very very good.

blep-arsh 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Laptop OLEDs aren't usually the best wrt color accuracy and uniformity. I've tried two. One had green splotches across the screen, the other just displays a certain range of gray shades with a green tint (so e.g. a black-to-white gradient test image has a green band in the middle). And there's always a static noise pattern of sorts due to non-uniform pixel brightness.

gigatexal 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This. My 2013 MacBook Pro lasted just shy of 10 years no issues.

My m3 max mbpro I only wish was the larger screen one and not the 13 inch one … oh well. But I suspect it will last me — and be passed down as well — 8-10 years as well.

The trackpads are second to none. So are the speakers. The screen are pretty good. I wish mine got even brighter but the m4s do. The keyboard is finally awesome.

The OS just works. In fact I moved from Linux to MacOS. I thought I’d miss i3 and sway but with Magnet and a launcher I don’t. I live in a terminal and can split that as much as I like. And gui apps Magnet does a decent job.

There are projects to go even further and you don’t have to leave MacOS for all the tiling love.

https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai https://github.com/nikitabobko/AeroSpace https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst

But I get basically everything I need with Magnet.

So TLDR I used to be a huge Linux head (I still am…) but I’m practical now and tired and macOS is a small price to pay for such amazing hardware.

More on why I left Linux as my main platform: https://gigatexal.blog/pages/no-perfect-workstation/no-perfe...

Doohickey-d 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's possible to increase the brightness in software on M1, by faking HDR (desktop capture -> scale brightness to HDR -> display).

One example: https://www.brightintosh.de/ but there's many others.

gigatexal 3 days ago | parent [-]

you just made my day I am so happy with this I could kiss you!* just saved me a bunch of coin cuz I was considering trading up for a m4 or otherwise to get better brightness

amazing!

* more a turn of phrase, a hug, a handshake, a thank you thank you thank you all suffice ;-)

I insta bought the suggested app

sersi 3 days ago | parent [-]

Check out https://github.com/alin23/Lunar it's the most advanced app on mac when it comes to controlling screens

gigatexal 2 days ago | parent [-]

purchased as well. thanks! was looking for a way to tweak my connected monitors, too.

this brings up a good Q -- what monitors other than the absurd Apple XDR are out there that are good at high brightness. I'm loving the brightness above 500 nits on this main screen I want it everywhere.

asimovfan 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I read why you left linux as your main platform.. You say you are "practical now and tired" implying GNU(+linux) is unpractical and tiring, which is perfectly wrong in my opinion. Not only my opinion but also in your own opinion, as you also write how package managers are better in linux, macOS is not as hackable, how much it is locked down etc. So it comes down to this paragraph:

"I learned to like nice things. I became a bit bougie, hah. I like the build quality of the Apple laptops. The amazing trackpads. The vibrant screens. And how, for the most part, the hardware and software just work together so well. Seamlessly connecting Apple Keyboards to my Apple Laptop, or my Apple Headphones to my Apple Laptop, etc., etc."

so boils down to this intangible "bougieness" they tricked you with. I dont know about Apple build quality. I have the experience that they absolutely slow down, break down faster, more expensive to get fixed, and the trackpad is annoying as hell. I haven't had any problems with headphones or connecting keyboards (wireless or wired) in non macOS laptops either. It is 2025 and all my computers work fine with such peripherals.

The screens look vibrant i'll give you that, but you pay for it anyway, like you could've paid with another laptop.

sersi 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Well I have a desktop running arch linux as my main computer at home. For my laptop though I use a mbp purely for the build quality because I have never found a laptop that is as good at the current generations of mbps for thermals, trackpad quality, sound quality, screen, battery life.

Now personally I'd be happier running linux and I'm looking forward to arch linux on asahi working on my laptop. But I will use macos (which I used to like but has become steadily worse over the years) just because of the hardware

gigatexal 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I should monetize my blog for the 5-10 or so people who hate read it ;-)

I am not a sane, logical, rational person most of the time ... but I think not many folks are.

sudosysgen 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The screen point is just not true anymore. There are quite a few laptops at the ~1000$ price point with significantly better screens, such as the Zenbooks with OLED screens.

ozgrakkurt 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Screens are not really that good. My 600$ lenovo has a way better screen than my m1 pro 16”

apfsx 3 days ago | parent [-]

What Lenovo model + screen option do you have that is better than the M1 Pro 16 inch screen? I've yet to see anything better.

ozgrakkurt 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

It has an OLED screen so image quality isn’t even comparable. It is worse in terms of glare but not unusable and I don’t use it outside much

alecthomas 3 days ago | parent [-]

Which $600 model has an OLED screen?

ozgrakkurt 3 days ago | parent [-]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/678489/lenovo-ideapad-sl...

This one is very similar. I bought mine from Thailand

Copernicron 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> 16" WUXGA IPS Anti-Glare Display

> $689.99

That computer has neither an OLED display nor a price of $600.

foldr 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

This has a WXUGA display, i.e. 1920x1200. It’s not comparable to the high DPI display on the MacBook Pro.

WillAdams 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

One quite nice display is the 2880 x 1800 16" OLED on the Samsung Galaxy Book series --- I kind of miss it when using my MacBook Pro.

foldr 3 days ago | parent [-]

Sure, Apple doesn’t have a monopoly on nice displays, but they’ll sell you a laptop with a high DPI display for $1000. It’s hard to get a laptop with a comparable display for much less. And if you save any money you’ll pay for it in performance and build quality.

dmbche 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What specifically isn't comparable?

Comparable. Things you can't compare between two laptop screens.

reactordev 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

He doesn’t have nano texture, I can guarantee that. His screen probably has fingerprints and glare and all sorts of issues like visible pixels.

I’ve owned a hell of a lot of laptops and MacBooks are the best, not because of Mac, but because of the build quality. The touchpad is perfect, the aluminum body is rugged, the screen is amazing, and the audio truly is sorcery thanks to Apple acquiring Beat’s audionet.

The worst laptop for build quality were those HP Chromebooks.

ThinkPad’s are mid tier but still made of plastic.

Yoga foldable or a MS Surface is better.

MSI or Razor if you don’t feel like ever touching your laptop (:fire:)

zozbot234 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

"Visible pixels" are a total non-issue already on a 1080p screen, and a near-non issue on 768p. There's just no ambiguity about this, it's a matter of simple physics. Maybe you'll need to go up to a 1200p screen or thereabouts to cope with crappy rendering on the software side (allowing for a 0.7x factor or so in image spatial bandwidth/resolution due to lack of proper anti-aliasing), but anything above that is just plain overkill. Unless you like to look at tiny portions of your screen with a frickin' magnifying glass, of course.

foldr 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

You can definitely see the resolution difference between a 1080p 13" display and a 13" 'retina' display. You may not care about it, but I think it's uncontroversial that it's a visible difference.

reactordev 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t wear glasses, I can see pixels on a 1080p screen just fine whereas on a Retina display or anything with 4k+ I can’t at a normal distance.

Glad you know how my eyes work. You probably will say next that I can’t see the refresh.

zozbot234 3 days ago | parent [-]

You can see pixels up close on a 1080p screen if you have good eyesight, but that's not the way you're supposed to work with a screen as a matter of ergonomics. Even on a laptop, you're always looking at the screen as a whole, not just seeing a tiny portion of it in your field of view.

reactordev 3 days ago | parent [-]

I can see pixels at rest when sitting at my desk and a 1080p monitor 27” or more is on it.

Thanks for letting me know how my eyes work.

zozbot234 3 days ago | parent [-]

That's exactly what I meant by "up close". A 27'' monitor should be 3 or 4 ft. away in order to comfortably look at the whole screen. Any other choice is terrible ergonomics.

reactordev 3 days ago | parent [-]

Ugh, it is 3-4 feet away when it’s on my desk. Jesus. Want to keep going? Keep telling me I’m looking at it wrong.

_bent 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

you might want to check in with an ophthalmologist

ezst 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> He doesn’t have nano texture© […] His screen probably has fingerprints and glare and all sorts of issues like visible pixels.

Thanks Tim, but I prefer my day without bullshit propaganda.

7thpower 3 days ago | parent [-]

I didn’t think the M1s had that anyway.

pxc 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Laptops only get fingerprints on the screen, unless they're touchscreens, when they try to be stupidly thin like MacBooks do, so that the screen routinely touches the keys. It's stupid design.

sarlalian 2 days ago | parent [-]

Or if you use your fingers to move the display… a fairly common action with a laptop.

pxc 2 days ago | parent [-]

This also a function of the same design trends tbh. One can have a reasonably sized laptop where it's not difficult to do this by the bezel rather than the display.

romanovcode 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> - The trackpad (but other manufacturers now have tolerable alternatives and anyway you can work without it)

It is my understanding that Apple did lock their trackpad tech behind a patent and that is why all the others suck. So it's really not their fault and it is very unfortunate if that's the case.

garbagepatch 3 days ago | parent [-]

I'd like to see the others go for the tech behind the Steamdeck touchpads. That's way better.

zackify 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The trackpad still cannot be beaten. Please someone show me one that can compare haha

makeitdouble 2 days ago | parent [-]

If we're going into those details, are touchscreens beaten ?

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kaladin-jasnah 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interestingly, I really don't like MacBook trackpads. The actuation force is too high for my taste. Maybe this has changed.

proee 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I always just enable tap to click and also adjust the speed to max. Once your brain gets use to this it works great (for me).

KerrAvon 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s controlled entirely by software, and you can lower it or raise it if you so desire.

kaladin-jasnah 2 days ago | parent [-]

Oh! Well, either way, I'm not interested in Apple products because of their stances on repairability.

chrisweekly 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's adjustable

manaskarekar 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

And they're too large. I know, super unpopular opinion. I prefer the middle of the road size on trackpads with the physical buttons form the dell latitudes of 2010s. They work remarkably well with linux too.

The clickpads are pretty imprecise and poor, and compared to this the Macbook is much nicer.

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realusername 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree for the screen and the audio but the trackpad on the mac is significantly different from any other laptop so you either love it or hate it. Personally I hate it and would rate it similarly as a cheap laptop. My brother loves it though.

imcritic 3 days ago | parent [-]

What's there to hate in it?

realusername 3 days ago | parent [-]

It's hard to describe, when you never used a mac in your life, it feels weird with plenty of ghost inputs.

To each their own but I really don't want my laptop to imitate that.

lostlogin 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some of the Apple integrations are so great. Copy and paste between devices, airdrop, call handling and messaging, the notes app, preview app. PDF handling (my god is the windows default hot garbage in comparison).

Yes, other apps and companies do this, but out the box there are some pretty great options from Apple.

blakblakarak 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Using my IPad as a second monitor still feels like sorcery. I can have a dual monitor setup wherever I work without cables or fuss.

gigatexal 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

All very true! Seamless integration with my AirPods is really nice.

winrid 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Apple screens are terrible. They use PWM at all brightness levels just to save a couple bucks and burn my eyes.

ant6n 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> The screen : at an equivalent price point (and even more), nothing comes close to Apple screens. The cheapest MacBook have a better screen than most high end PCs.

The screen is a mirrowy mess. PC Laptop with matte screens cost 500, MacBook 1500.