Same, I have a Mac at work and can suffer the horrible window management by just having more physical monitors (3 + the built in screen).

I bought one for home use because I liked the hardware and the idea of running local llms. Long story short I'm still using my 6 year old Thinkpad running arch.

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adastra22 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think it is just us getting old. I used Linux since high school in the 90's, through all the way to the late 00's. I switched to OS X (long before it was macOS) because that's where all the and coming developer tools were, and I got tired of being sysadmin to my own Linux install as things break.

Now I'm the opposite of you. I WANT to run Linux, and I have both a recent Framework and Lenovo laptop at home that I bought for this purpose. But I have some issue with Nvidia drivers, or just stuck down a rabbit hole trying to configure a GUI the way I want, or whatever, and I give up and go back to macOS where everything is familiar and works out of the box. I'm too old and/or busy to deal with that shit, but it probably reflects my age more than it does macOS vs Linux.

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dmacvicar a day ago | parent | next [-]

Genuine curiosity. Why would you buy a laptop with nvidia for the purpose of running Linux when it is known to be problematic?

I use Linux since ~ 28 years, and having seen all the trouble with Nvidia drivers, I just avoid it. I just pick an Intel graphics Thinkpad, likely the previous generation to the last one, check compatibility in the Arch wiki and then buy it.

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Pooge 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just had PTSD from reading your comment. Laptop + Nvidia drivers + Linux just do NOT work together.

Nvidia drivers almost bricked my laptop once, and I'm glad a random guy in a Discord server could help me out because I couldn't even get to the boot screen.

	▲	jeroenhd 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		The biggest issue with Nvidia drivers, the mux chip issue, doesn't seem to be very prominent anymore these days. With modern laptops, you'll probably boot to desktop, though your experience will be terrible and pretty much unaccelerated. Nvidia remains a problem on Linux, though they're making steps in the right direction. By putting all of their code in the secret and signed firmware, they can actually open source their drivers now, which is a lot better than how things used to be. Still, I wouldn't buy Nvidia anything with a computer I want to run Linux on, it's not worth the hassle. Sucks that all developments related to AI are using Nvidia APIs though.

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n6242 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> I think it is just us getting old.

I don't think it's that. I've used Linux since high school as well and use Mac occasionally and I get the same feeling that Mac is weird and nonsensical.

The reason I'm pretty sure it's something intrinsical to Mac and not age, is that is that I also use Windows now and then and while I don't like it and I have lots of complaints about it, I find Windows in general does make more sense to me then Mac. It's just crappy and clunky and closed, but it's generally pretty straightforward.

And I've had people tell me that since Mac is unix compliant it's very similar to Linux but I've never found that to be the case. Mac in general is obtuse, poorly documented, rarely configurable, and I always get the impression they like to do everything based on some weird sense of aesthetic that they've cultivated over the years that seems to work for people fully invested in the Apple ecosystem but just makes no sense to anybody else.

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wkat4242 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes but multi monitor in a Windows Centric office can also be troublesome because Apple continues to fail to support display port multi stream technology (MST) which means most docks will just give you one external display even if they have several. I've never understood why they're so bone-headed about this. It's not even a hard standard to support. It's just not invented here.

Only thunderbolt docks work properly but they cost a lot more so an office with 95% windows will not bother buying them.

I used to work on Mac management but the constant middle finger to enterprise needs got me to look for something else. For example, can you finally have apple federated IDs without having your email and UPN the same in the directory? This has been broken for years since they introduced federated IDs and I wouldn't be surprised if it's still broken.

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piskov 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

For mac try moom: easily best keyboard-based windows management.

As for spaces: just create a few (important), then go to system settings and map alt 1-5 to switch between those

	▲	philjohn 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Failing that Rectangle.app It's the first thing I install on any Mac.