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MyOutfitIsVague 3 days ago

> the government made an $8.9 billion investment in Intel common stock, purchasing 433.3 million shares at a price of $20.47 per share, giving it a 10% stake in the company

> The United States paid nothing for these Shares, and the Shares are now valued at approximately $11 Billion Dollars

I don't understand. Can somebody explain to me how the government made an investement, bought shares, but paid nothing?

cvoss 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

The answer is in the paragraph in between the two you quoted from. The money for the purchase has already been appropriated by Congress and awarded to Intel. The awards didn't previously have this giant string attached where Intel gives stock in return. But now they do.

And it makes sense that Intel is spinning it as a generous investment from the gov't, but the gov't is spinning it as a free gift from Intel. Neither account really paints the full picture, but each one paints themselves as coming out ahead.

m4rtink 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Isn't that pretty bad, Darth Vader style changing of previously agreed on deals ?

Not sure how anyone can believe anything that was agreed will hold in such an environment. :P

tonetegeatinst 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, but its semiconductor industry so its complicated.

Intel got money via grants from the chip act and via other governments. Part of the reason they got that money was to help them build the chip fans in the USA and funding research and workforce in other nations. The fact Intel has claimed its slowing construction basically is a full 180° spin and will set them back in manufacturing ability.

Previous CEO strategy was focused on heavy investment in catching up on manufacturing ability. But once you get stuck on a node it becomes expensive to catch up.

New CEO is clearly trying to shed weight. They have let go of a significant % of workforce, stopped certain projects all together, and seem to be basically selling off parts of their technology and assets to keep cashflow positive.

Given the current CEO and his history and connections, plus the US government involvement it looks like a rocky situation.

delfinom 3 days ago | parent [-]

New CEO wants to keep the fabs though. It was the board chair pushing him to cut the fabs.

dylan604 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's precisely how private citizen Trump ran his businesses as well. Make an agreement with contractors to get work started knowing full well those agreements were never going to be honored. Instead, refuse to pay anything forcing contractors to renegotiate at much worse terms vs not getting anything at all. The whole time banking on these contractors not willing to fight in court. That was the art of the deal

deanputney 3 days ago | parent [-]

The art of the deal isn't a deal. It's extortion.

topspin 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Isn't that pretty bad, Darth Vader style changing of previously agreed on deals ?

There has been some changing of deals on Intel's part as well, with indefinite delays on US fab buildouts the US passed a bill to subsidize. Now the US is taking some equity for its debt.

Far more dramatic Government intervention took place in 2009 when the US bailed out domestic automakers, including equity. Don't recall as much angst about that among the laptop class. Because Obama.

gizzlon 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Isn't that pretty bad, Darth Vader style changing of previously agreed on deals ?

haha, is this the first you hear of this Trump guy? He rutinely breaks deals, like all the fucking time. (I get that this was not his deal, he breaks those too)

A deal with Trump is worth nothing.

aorloff 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Imagine the stakes of the next election after such an environment

The sparks will fly

wahern 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Can somebody explain to me how the government made an investement, bought shares, but paid nothing?

Extortion.

Recent Supreme Court decisions have permitted the government to unilaterally cancel disbursements, even in flagrant violation of the plain text of law, impervious to preliminary injunctions, and then put up procedural hurdles to significantly increase the cost of reaching a final judgment in favor of the plaintiff. See, e.g., the most recent decisions issued this week in National Institutes of Health v. American Public Health Assn.: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/relatingtoorders/24

So presumably the administration's deal was, give us what we ask for and you'll get the money Congress awarded, or don't and wait 1-2 years for any case to wind its way through the courts.

wahern 3 days ago | parent [-]

Also, the timing is mighty suspicious, with this NIH decision being published yesterday (21st) and the announcement happening this morning (22nd). I wouldn't be surprised if Intel's lawyers were waiting (perhaps slow-walking the admin) for this particular NIH decision, and when it came down in favor of the government advised the CEO the only way to get the remaining billions disbursed in any reasonable amount of time was to acquiesce to Trump's demand and close the deal.

MyOutfitIsVague 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had seen that, but I don't consider that "paying nothing". That's paying something. I'm also confused how it's a "grant" if it's completely transactional. That's not a string attached, that's just a purchase. So I guess it's just political spin on all sides.

foota 3 days ago | parent [-]

The thing you're missing is that it was different administrations offering the grant vs the "investment".

reactordev 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Boardroom politics...

Everyone saves face.

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skybrian 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What does Intel get? I suppose it ensures that the grants aren't cancelled.

heyheyhey 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think a better rephrasing is "government is giving $8.9B from the CHIPS act in exchange for a 10% stake in the company"

tyg13 3 days ago | parent [-]

Depends on who you ask. Trump himself seems to think the US is getting 10% for free. I think that's a fair assessment given that these grants were already supposed to be paid out to Intel, without any kind of equity stake promised.

Worth noting that Intel is the only company that had these kinds of shenanigans pulled with their grant. Samsung, TSMC, Micron and others were granted similar funds without any kind of withholding or demands for equity from the federal government.

simoncion 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Worth noting that Intel is the only company that had these kinds of shenanigans pulled with their grant.

Sure, but Intel's new CEO is making a lot of noise that indicates that Intel is maybe not going to be able/willing to build some-to-many of the things the CHIPS money paid for.

Giving FedGov a 10% stake in the company [0] is better than taking the money back for nonperformance, wouldn't you say?

[0] Which -as I understand it- was the sort of thing that was done for those finance companies that were Too Big To Fail when all that fraud^W novel financial engineering eventually caught up to them.

01100011 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Worth noting that Intel is the only company that had these kinds of shenanigans pulled with their grant.

So far...

MrDarcy 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trump feels Biden gave intel billions for nothing. Trump feels he’s balanced the scales by getting 10% of Intel. Trump gets to spin it as getting 10% of Intel for nothing.

Win win for Trump.

dotancohen 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

  > Depends on who you ask. Trump himself seems to think the US is getting 10% for free.
I don't think anything is ever free, and I think that Donald Trump the businessman knows that better than I do.
rvba 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Getting stock in exchange of grants makes more sense than "pure" grants.

This stock can later be sold, to benefit the taxpayer.

behringer 3 days ago | parent [-]

that's not a grant. That's just buying stocks.

BeetleB 3 days ago | parent [-]

It's effectively a grant. The US government isn't buying existing shares. Intel is issuing new shares and selling them to the US government - so actual money is being transferred to Intel (and existing shares are being diluted as a result).

loeg 3 days ago | parent [-]

That's just buying stocks (at-the-market offering).

BeetleB 3 days ago | parent [-]

Nope.

When I buy stocks at market price, the company gets none of my money.

When the company issues new stocks and sells them, the company gets the money.

loeg 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think you're maybe unfamiliar with what an ATM offering is; try googling it.

BeetleB 3 days ago | parent [-]

Fair point. The key issue in the thread, which I think we both agree on, is that yes, the government is giving money to Intel.

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tobias3 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If someone from the Mafia comes to you and asks for a 10% share of your restaurant you better say yes.

ecocentrik 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

When you're really familiar with extortion, everything looks like an opportunity for extortion.

CoastalCoder 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, but in this case the restaurant was already empty of customers on most evenings.

miltonlost 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Breaking into an empty locked building is still breaking and entering.

echoangle 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So then it’s fine?

CoastalCoder 3 days ago | parent [-]

My point was that Intel is already in need of rescue investment all on its own.

I'm just pointing out a limitation of the Mafia analogy.

Spooky23 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

As long as there’s still cash, there’s plenty of stuff to loot.

rcap5 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Socializing a corporate venture with peace time debt seems counter to the ideals of free market capitalism. Even the takeover of "government motors" (GM) during the Great Recession left many concerned about government overreach. Boeing killed people with a bad product, and they only faced a fine without direct equity takeover.

usernomdeguerre 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The clearer picture comes from Reuters[0], as usual:

>The government will purchase the 433.3 million shares with funding from the $5.7 billion in unpaid CHIPS Act grants and $3.2 billion awarded to Intel for the Secure Enclave program.

So the same playbook hes taken across the board: cast aspersions on leadership, withhold duly appropriated money in contravention to the law. Rinse repeat.

[0]: https://www.reuters.com/business/trump-says-intel-has-agreed...

mkoubaa 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They're nationalizing it

colechristensen 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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