It's insane that they need permits for 8 cars that have humans driving them in 2025, when they're already fully automated in SF.

> We’re a tech-friendly administration

Clearly not.

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asadm 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think caution is good here. We all saw what reckless admin + Uber did before they shut it down for good.

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spankalee 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The permit gets them into the process for eventually deploying without safety drivers. That includes safety plans, emergency responder plans and training, and periodic reporting.

They could just drive cars around like Tesla, but that wouldn't put them on a path to a fully autonomous service.

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aprilthird2021 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not insane for cities to permit autonomous vehicle technology. They permit almost every other type of heavy machinery. Even manually driven cars are permitted! (Driver's license test, registration fees, etc.)

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ronnier 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> already fully automated in SF

I don't thin it's fair to say they are fully automated. There's a large remote operations team for remote assistance to help them get out of tricky situations. The cars can be nudged to perform certain actions.

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ra7 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

New York is a long way behind California in regulating autonomous vehicles. Fully driverless vehicles are also illegal there and it will require legislation for Waymo to deploy in the state.

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bongodongobob 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You sound like a junior admin. "Why do we need to keep testing? It works in the SF office?"

Because they are completely different environments.

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bsimpson 3 days ago | parent [-]

I didn't say testing was stupid. I said permitting only 8 vehicles for human testing from the leader in self-driving cars, years after they've been fully autonomous in other dense cities, isn't the flex he thinks it is.

	▲	btmiller 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Would you like to rephrase what you said then? As written, it’s hard to come to any conclusion other than that you could stand to gain some respect for the long road of research and progress needed to achieve fully autonomous driving fleet. 8 is bigger than 0, and approving any non-zero number is recognizing the value of technology.
	▲	Rexxar 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		8 is probably Waymo's choice. It's not said anywhere that it's the permit limit.

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subarctic 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

There's gonna be people driving them? What's the point then?

	▲	starlust2 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Sounds like it's a person actively monitoring but not driving. The point is minimizing risk until safety can be proven.