Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

As if those american companies played fair with training their AIs

It's theft all the way down, son

I can't say whether those claims are true. But even if they were, it feels selective. Every major AI company trained on oceans of data they didn't create or own. The whole field was built on "borrowing" IP, open-source code, academic papers, datasets, art, text, you name it.

Drawing the line only now... saying this is where copying stops being okay doesn't seem very fair. No AI company is really in a position to whine about it from my POV (ignoring any lawyer POV). Cue the world's smallest violin

Can you contrast this with Western companies? What are the Chinese companies stealing that Western companies aren’t? Do you mean tech or content?

Most ironic comment I've yet laid eyes on.

If an American company did this, it would be "innovative bootstrapping". Yawn.

I find it hilarious you felt the need to make this comment in defense of American LLMs. You know that American LLMs aren’t trained ethically either, right? Many people’s data was used for training without their permission.

BTW DeepSeek has contributed a lot, with actual white papers describing in detail their optimizations. How are the rest of the American AI labs doing in contributing research and helping one another advance the field?

Reminder that OpenAI is an American company whose headstart is attributed to stealing copyrighted material from everyone else. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

who cares