▲ | slipperydippery 4 days ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I’ve seen nobody talking about this, so it’s probably wrong, but I can’t shake the feeling that a lot of the seemingly-nuts things we’ve seen the last 20ish years, from house prices going to the moon to LOLWTF P/E ratios sustained for years on end, and even the magnitude of VC activity, are an outcome of having way too large a proportion of our money in capital, desperately seeking investments to buy, with an underlying economy (ignore stock prices and net-drag economic activity like over-paying for healthcare, I mean actual productivity) that hasn’t grown anywhere near fast enough to give that money anything useful to do. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | fergie 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Every independent economist has been saying this for the last 10 years- see for example "Capital in the Twenty-First Century", a book written by French economist Thomas Piketty. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | je_bailey 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I've had the exact same thoughts, so if you're wrong you aren't alone. I personally believe this is due to the imbalance of wealth. Where money isn't circulating properly and we end up with these massive funds that move from one investment type to another destroying everything in their wake | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | 9rx 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Haven't we been talking about that for a long time? Even the whole "go to college to make more money" was premised on the idea of people leveraging college research facilities to create new opportunities for money in recognition of the walls closing in. The game of telephone saw that turn into "go to college to get a job" with few compelling creations to come from it and, thus, stagnant incomes, but you can only lead the horse to water... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | Workaccount2 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I know we are at ground zero here on HN, and ironically HN is pretty good evidence of this, but The pros of software are so OP that it hard to justify investing in anything else. Software has incredibly low cap-ex and incredibly high margins. Five humans with five laptops can create a lawn maintenance app worth tens of millions. To get that same value from, say, building lawn mowers, you need a factory...annnd already the value prop is "nope". Take note that there is no hardware version of Hackernews. There is no hardware/manufacturing VC scene. Hell even the hardware that is produced today is just a vessel to sell a $19.99/mo software subscription to use the product. Look at what Tesla did, they are getting a reality check on their cars, but Ah!, Tesla is now a software company developing a software package that turns hardware (their cars) into reoccurring profit machines! Software has eaten the first world, and this is what is looks like. A hyper inflated tech scene where all innovation is happening, and a totally anemic everything-else scene (except finance, that's huge too). | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | morleytj 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It seems like this would be a pretty good argument for increasing taxes on the high end and having large public works projects to drive forward particular useful goals on a national level (ignoring whether or not a particular governmental organization is currently capable of this, more just focusing on that as a backstop that allows prioritization of economic goals). | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | mschuster91 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think you're on the right track there. Stock markets used to be a place for developers of Things (initially, railways) to acquire money for investments too large and/or too risky for a single bank, for companies to acquire money for growth, and for farmers / their customers to get reasonable pricing for their goods. The problem is, once the gold standard fell and the rise of fiat money began, the financial markets became self-serving, with hordes of middlemen extracting the tiniest amounts of profits along the path, speculative trading driving up food prices, and people's care in old age no longer backed by the government in the form of a "societal contract" but by, essentially, betting on the economy ever growing and growing. The gamble went on decent for a few decades, partially powered by ruthless exploitation of natural resources, but in the end the fundamental and long ignored issue of infinite growth being impossible (as anyone who ever played Paperclip should know) is now coming home to roost. The domestic resources of many countries are effectively exhausted (coal, gas and oil in Western Europe), leading to unhealthy dependencies on those countries that still do have these resources, and the consumer markets are either already saturated with cheap foreign-made goods or simply don't have enough money any more because rents are extracting too much money out of the people. |