Exactly what I was thinking. Instead of attempting to contribute back to Playwright to fix those hangups, or even creating a private patch to do so as a POC, they went right to building their own framework from scratch.

That isn't how you launch a product.

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nikisweeting 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

I've been trying to contribute to playwright for years! All of my issues have been closed / rejected without much consideration because they're not part of the core "QA testing" use-case that playwright is built for.

Personally have not found their team to be the easiest to work with on Github. I would've loved to use puppeteer instead, their team is quite reasonable but they abandoned their python bindings and we want to stay in python.

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hugs 5 days ago | parent [-]

re: ms -- thank you for calling that out. i've been thinking we had been collectively sleepwalking into ms owning everything (again). they've owned everything once before -- it wasn't great!

related side-note: have you had to interact with the core chrome / cdp devs?

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nikisweeting 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Chromium bug tracker is where issues go to die, but aside from that I've had nothing but lovely individual interactions with core chrome devs so far. The devtools frontend/protocol repo is definitely active and more approachable than Chromium itself.

I have not spoken to people that work directly on CDP yet, but I believe we have a call with them soon!

	▲	hugs 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		awesome! tell them there are dozens of python fans. dozens!

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gregpr07 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

re side-note: if you know anyone who would be willing to interact connect me :)

	▲	hugs 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		i was going to ask the same to you. :-) i'm just stubborn enough to find out, though. and i still have a few contacts at the googleplex...

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mxhwll 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Spoken like someone who has never contributed to open source but just grandstands about how everyone else needs to.

	▲	nicman23 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		spoken like a complete tool that none wants to work with :)

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gregpr07 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean... Playwright was built and is maintained by Microsoft, so I don't think VC money argument really makes sense here.

By the very nature of how Playwright is built we can't contribute to it - it runs inside a JS subprocess and does not expose a bunch of CDP apis that we NEED (for example to make cross origin iframes work).