but don't you see, Communism is so bad that it changes the laws of fundamental physics! But of course you are right, this is a total nonsense story but it is interesting to reflect on why somebody would feel compelled to tell such a lie and spread such propaganda. Also interesting to reflect on what the capitalist analog of this story might be - do we trust that American food corporations would never knowingly ship unhealthy meat?

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flohofwoe 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Calm down Igor, it's probably just a tall tale the seniors told the juniors and the juniors took it in as the truth.

Also didn't you have sarcastic Chornobyl jokes in the 80s if you lived anywhere near East or Central Europe? We certainly did have a lot of them in East Germany.

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reillyse 2 days ago | parent [-]

what?

It is not being presented as a tall tale or a sarcastic joke. It's being presented as fact. I'm merely asking why people feel the need to make up stories and to propagate stories that are untrue. That is a question I am genuinely interested in.

Why, when we know this is complete BS, do people feel the need to 1) make it up in the first place and 2) propagate the story without engaging their mental faculties.

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mlyle 2 days ago | parent [-]

I don't really like your snarky initial take, even when I'm the guy calling bullshit in the first place in the thread.

People propagate falsehoods for numerous reasons. The first is, they don't know it's false. They hear a joke or a hypothetical story and repeat it as fact, and in the retelling it gets amplified. Details get conflated; someone hears a story about slightly radioactive cows and also about computers being affected by radiation, and blends them. Or an expat tells a story about his homeland, exaggerated slightly for effect, and is misunderstood by those who hear it based on their own biases.

In the end we only have so much brainpower. We don't always consider the plausibility of everything to a deep degree. I am nearly positive that you have propagated falsehood where you "should have known better."

And sometimes we tell things that are just a good story. I propagate the neural network tank recognition one to my students because it's a perfect story. I do say that I know it's probably false, but I'm sure some of them will repeat it to others as fact.

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reillyse a day ago | parent [-]

Right, you propagate it for a specific reason presumably, because you think it teaches them something about something even if it might not be true.

So that is your reason there.

I'm just interested in the undercurrent of why people seem to like this story and I think it pretty much is "Communism Bad" even though as mentioned otherwhere in this thread (and by me) capitalism has an awful record when it comes to food quality the one thing that is being knocked in this story.

	▲	mlyle a day ago \| parent [-]
		> I'm just interested in the undercurrent of why people seem to like this story Nah, it's "holy shit radioactive cows causing single-event-upset!@" It's the legend of the impossible to troubleshoot magical problem that actually makes perfect physical sense (even though it doesn't). The communism-bad is merely an afterthought that adds a little more appeal to some people. Indeed, my perspective reading this story... I need to teach a different group of students about SEU and SEL. The thought of radioactive cows from Chernobyl causing upsets is an absolutely "sticky" story that would make the idea of effects from ionizing radiation stay prominently in students' minds, and reinforce my position as a crazy teacher with students. My reaction as I realized that it was BS and I couldn't justify using it was disappointment.

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krapp 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

>do we trust that American food corporations would never knowingly ship unhealthy meat?

We know for a fact that many American businesses knowingly allow faulty and dangerous products on the market (see the Ford Pinto,) and that American food corporations have allow tainted meat onto the market.

But for some reason we don't fault capitalism for that the way we would fault communism for this, if it were true. If anything, the most likely reaction this happening in the US would be to deregulate industries so capitalism could capitalize even harder.