>also humans costs way more money than cloud stuff. I the cloud stuff can be managed in like 1 day per month you dont need a real person, if you have real hardware that day is not enough and you soon need a dedicated person, keeping everything up-to-date, etc.

In my experience, I have observed the opposite: companies with on-site infrastructure have been able to manage it in the spare time of a relatively small team (especially since hardware is pretty powerful and reliable nowadays), while those with cloud infrastruture have a large team focused on just maintaining the system, because cloud pushes you into far more complex setups.

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merb 5 days ago | parent [-]

most of the time the "far more complex setup" is mostly easier than the reimplementation of kubernetes with ansible.

	▲	rcxdude 5 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Sure, but for the most part these places just didn't use either. You can go extremely far without any of the things the kubernetes gets you. (And if you want to, you can get some if those things for a lot lower cost than k8s)
	▲	wredcoll 5 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I mean, you can just install kubernetes on your own system. Most of these things that AWS provides exist as services. You get some benefit from AWS running them, but you pay in literal dollars and the invisible complexity they add.