▲ | Atlas667 7 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
lol, you've made no argument yet you act like you have presented something here. Corporations already fund some politicians and judges whole careers. Corporations fund the policy groups within popular political parties. They fund the policy groups/think tanks that influence popular political parties as well. Did you think this was just the will of the people? Ever heard of Citizens United? What is Lobbying? Do you think these people are just gonna come out and say: "Hey, influencing politics is a whole industry worth billions."? and "We make sure your political options are aligned with our interests before they even reach your perception"? None of them propose mass democracy because they know its not in their interest, but it is in ours. Don't vote for images. Democracy is not trust, Democracy is control. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | lazide 6 hours ago | parent [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dude, the original question was ‘and do you have any concrete proposals for making it better that trying to implement won’t definitely (and historically provably!) end up even worse’ And you keep not answering the question while spewing a whole bunch of random other BS. It reads like your only exposure to real life is Political Science 101. And the stuff you’re complaining about isn’t even specific to capitalism! Do you think judges in other countries (especially communist and social countries!) are somehow totally independent? Do you think massive abuses of workers and the population didn’t (and don’t) happen in the USSR or under the CCP in its various iterations? Even ‘return production to the people’ is ludicrous without even specifying how. Because 1) why should the current owners be okay with it, and what are you going to do to them if they aren’t. (Historically, this is often ‘murder them’) 2) how would ‘the people’ even operate it ‘individually’ without destroying it or having the same hierarchical (or worse) power structure (historically this is ‘don’t worry, our political appartchik/crony will run it’) and 3) how do you stop abusive pieces of shit from abusing the structure? (Historically, this is murdering anyone who complains that we’re being abusive). People like Stalin and Mao did untold damage under the banners of communism and socialism, because people kept just spouting the same bullshit you are and never asking these actual questions. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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