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toomuchtodo a day ago

This would be fine if the government offered you a free email account they'd maintain, with login provided by login.gov. But that is not on offer, and likely won't be for the next 4 years.

lesuorac a day ago | parent | next [-]

Well, I like the concept but it's not like the government gives me a passport for free to travel through federally ran checkpoints or a drivers license for free to drive on federally funded roads.

I wonder at what point they'll start printing a face on the social security cards. That'd probably fix a lot of problems.

USPS could probably run an email service pretty well. I assume they print the mass-mailers on their own so they could print out your own email as mail.

derbOac 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I've always argued that internet service was the original intent of requiring the USPS as part of the constitution, and that it should in fact offer ISP services. The purpose of the postal clause, per documents at the time, was to establish "a regular system of free and speedy communication" for the "diffusion of Intelligence and useful Information".

To me it's silly or even dishonest to argue that the USPS should be limited to physical mail. There wasn't even electric power distribution at the time, to say the least of internet or radio. The founders had no concept of electric communication. It's exactly what was intended by the postal clause.

advisedwang a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And the government guaranteed you an internet connection and device!

toomuchtodo a day ago | parent [-]

Not sure if /s, but if genuine, not opposed.

mikece a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Would you actually use or trust such an email service?

kelseyfrog a day ago | parent | next [-]

Corporations get away with a lot precisely because they're not the government. That’s the trick: shift functions out of the state and into private enterprise, and suddenly the protections that would have applied no longer do. Every "free speech" thread eventually devolves into the same conclusion: the First Amendment only binds the government.

So the threat model isn't uniform. There's no one-size-fits-all. Depending on how you assess risk, you might reasonably conclude that government services pose less danger than private actors, and someone else might see the inverse.

halJordan a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why wouldn't you. If youve ever used fema for disaster relief the info they require is quite invasive. These are also the same people you send your tax returns to. The same people your bank gives your AML info to.

Youre going to begrudge them an email account they host for ease of communicating with these same people?

toomuchtodo a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many use free Google, Yahoo, Microsoft email accounts; I would trust them about the same as a government provided service. Microsoft especially has a proven track record of garbage security posture.

Importantly, we need to be mindful of the lowest common denominator citizen who might have nothing but still be entitled to government services. Governments exist to service their constituents. The USPS is required to serve every US address (including mail delivery by mule into the Grand Canyon) [1], it is straightforward to provide ~1GB of email to everyone who needs it.

[1] https://about.usps.com/who/profile/

impossiblefork a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe not for personal communication, but for e-mails to the government etc., yes.

Here in Sweden we have something like this, but it's not one mailbox, but effectively one mailbox per government service. So there's one for medical stuff, and you get messages from the physicians who have looked into your problems, messages about booked appointments etc., and there's similar things for other government services that require multi-step communication.

goyagoji a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You give them (illegally interconnected federal agencies) your regular accounts so you can be stalked by a sexual deviant in the NSA?

potato3732842 a day ago | parent | next [-]

I'd 1000x rather be stalked by a pervert in an office somewhere near DC than scrutinized by a local bureaucrat or enforcement official in my jurisdiction.

It's a lot like the difference between making a threat and posing a threat.

Obviously I'd rather none of these agencies have any of the data, but that ship sailed decades ago.

bediger4000 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm sorry, but if Trump does it almost everyone, the US voting public, a majority of Congress and a clear majority of the Supreme Court, allows it. The agencies may now be interconnected, but not illegally.

JohnFen a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To the extent that I'd trust any other email provider, yes.

mindslight a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I would use it in that I would forward the email off to my own server, the same as the rest of my ancillary email addresses. But the alternative pointed to in the article is freaking Hotmail - right into the open arms of the surveillance industry. And that account will likely be forgotten about once the immediate problem is over, making any continuity or later contact moot. [0]

In the abstract, email is actually a much better communication of last resort. A phone number requires you to maintain that phone number for the voice mailbox, or even be immediately reachable for more complex communication that can't be left in a voicemail. Whereas email just sits there until you can check it from many places, and the cost of maintaining an account is effectively ~zero.

And here we're talking about FEMA staff facilitating disaster victims. They could certainly have electronic devices to facilitate people checking their government mailboxes a lot easier than they could facilitate the same with phones. There could be terminals in post offices as well, for when the immediate disaster relief has gone away but someone still can't/won't have their own Internet access.

[0] fun fact: I tag senders using a wildcard character in the address, for example x-somebusiness@mydomain. When I give this style of email out over the phone, I invariably get responses of "you need a real email address", for which I have to explain my scheme and assure them that that is indeed my real email address (at least as far as they are concerned). To me this indicates that there is still a large contingent of people making up "email addresses" on the spot when asked, with no intention of ever receiving email - ie "Email address? Oh uh, John Smith At Google?"

(and yeah I know I could reduce the friction there by making the unique identifier into a nonce or other non-plaintext, and then keeping a mapping. alas, this hasn't really been a priority)