mentioned those 10% sufficiently talented ;)

not sure about US, but here in center of europe we still have sysadmins and not many devoops people

Yeah, but in the center of Europe, customers are very price sensitive so you only target them once you've got adoption in the customers who can pay. Have to industrialize your processes before the cheap people are worth it and that takes time in startups.

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lousken 2 days ago | parent [-]

Sure very smaller businesses are just cheap, but the rest want to get the most value out of that money spent. Finding and switching to alternatives with better price/performance is pretty normal I'd say.

	▲	renewiltord 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, but the practice there is just to select on price, so I'm happy to pre-qual them out.