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supernetworks 3 days ago

This is not unlike the surprise in underground.txt when mendax & co discover that curiosity is not the only state of existence for being a hacker. https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/4686/pg4686.txt

"Riffling through other files, Mendax found mail confirming that the attack had indeed come from inside MILNET. His eyes grew wide as he read on. US military hackers had broken into MILNET systems, using them for target practice, and no-one had bothered to tell the system admin at the target site.

Mendax couldn't believe it. The US military was hacking its own computers. This discovery led to another, more disturbing, thought. If the US military was hacking its own computers for practice, what was it doing to other countries' computers? "

firefax 3 days ago | parent [-]

>This is not unlike the surprise in underground.txt

I thought that was originally a book?

I distinctly remember reading it during an in school suspension in the 2000s.

I tried to go back to my township library and read it again years later, but someone had stolen it around the time that Wikileaks truthfully revealed that the DNC had kneecapped Bernie in the primaries.

(Many folks don't seem to distinguish between the public airing of unpleasant truths that could not be aired without their own actions, and "disinformation" in the "covid is a hoax" vein. To them, anything contrary to their narrative is evil and bad, and if only those dastardly Russians would stop making them look bad my making them send several illegal emails they could stop voting like Republicans)

supernetworks 3 days ago | parent [-]

It is a book, "Underground: Hacking, madness and obsession on the electronic frontier". I seem to recall cross it hosted under mit.edu/~hacker/underground.txt or something like that

contingencies 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

https://underground-book.net/download.php3

hulitu 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Thanks. How the world evolved: "Also, if you're curious, view the WebMake source file (warning: this contains the entire book text and markup: 948k in total). "

anthk 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I hate it. It destroys the original concept of hackers, with the original Jargon file, the best relase (1.5). Lisp and Forth hackers are the original thinkerers.

The Jargon File

https://jargon-file.org/archive/jargon-1.5.0.dos.txt

https://hakmem.org/

These are actual hackers and hacks.

firefax a day ago | parent | next [-]

>These are actual hackers

[clicks]

>The certificate for hakmem.org expired on 5/8/2021.

contingencies 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That ship had sailed well before the ~1997 launch of the book. See for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackers_(film) (1995) or http://www.takedown.com/ (1996)

firefax 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah ok. Weird way to cite a book title.

aspenmayer 2 days ago | parent [-]

Previously/related:

In the Realm of the Hackers (2003) [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42281735