You're highlighting something that's not relevant. The people who are abandoning their EVs are doing so in spite of the tremendous savings. That should raise alarms.

▲ aidenn0 3 days ago | parent [-]

Tremendous savings? I save less than 10% charging at home, at off-peak, vs a Prius for highway driving (3.8mi/kWh vs 50 miles/gallon):

  You have: (0.28USD/kWh)/(3.8miles/kWh)
  You want: USD/mile
   * 0.073684211
   / 13.571429
  You have: (4USD/gallon)/(50miles/gallon)
  You want: USD/mile
   * 0.08
   / 12.5

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gerdesj 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

There are 3.8 litres to the US gallon. You pay $4.00 per gallon and I pay 3.8 * £1.30 = £4.94. I remember the days when it seemed like fuel was almost free in the US compared to here!

Your electric rate looks high at $0.28 per kWh. Its still less than I pay in general - £0.287 but I get an overnight rate at £0.07 (23:30 to 05:30).

It seems reasonable to have a low rate at night and always has been. In the UK it used to be known as "Economy 7" (seven hours not 7p!) That's nothing new and I remember it being a thing from the eighties. I'm surprised you don't have something similar.

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aidenn0 2 days ago | parent [-]

I misremembered the cost for electricity; it's $0.26 not $0.28 (and that is the discounted overnight rate). Peak usage is over $0.50, but that's only 4pm-9pm in the summers.

The bill is rather maddening because there is no one place where they put the price per kWh. There is "Delivery Cost" "Generation Cost" and "Non bypassable charges" each with different values for peak/off-peak so I have to do the math myself.

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gerdesj 2 days ago | parent [-]

Bloody numbers! I also have snags dealing with them and I have an A level in Maths.

Your discount rate at $0.26 - I assume that is for overnight usage - sounds a bit nasty. Are you able to move to another provider or are you tied to a single provider?

If the latter, then that is another discussion 8)

	▲	aidenn0 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Basically one provider. More details: All but the generation charges are from a single company that (among other things) is paying off a lawsuit for having not properly maintained lines running through highly flammable forests. The generation charges can com from two companies; one has a slightly higher sticker-price, but discounts down to what the other charges, so the rates are identical.

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aidenn0 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had my overnight electricity rate wrong it us $0.2608 which makes it about 6.8 cents per mile vs 8 cents.

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dogmatism 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

agree

here on the other coast, with cheap gas and expensive electric, Prius would be about 6 cents/mi, Bolt costs me about 8 (on average winter/summer)

gas is $2.80/gallon, electric (with off peak program) $0.30/kWh. Bolt (fairly efficient EV) 3.8 mi/kWh (3.4- Winter 4+ summer)