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| ▲ | tomp 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Plastic straws are better, as are incandescent light bulbs. The proof is in the pudding / free market. If the alternatives (paper straws, LED bulbs) were better, people would voluntarily buy them! (cf: mobile phones vs. stationary phones, almost noone has the latter these days, because the former are just - better!) Instead, they're banned because they're better. | | |
| ▲ | delecti 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not going to defend paper straws; plastic straws weren't banned because they're better or worse, they're banned because of a viral video of a sea turtle with one stuck up its nose. LED bulbs are absolutely better though. They output so much less waste heat, and they last so much longer. > "free market" is only temporary, until the "bad" thing simply gets banned How can the alternatives get better, if regressive municipalities preemptively ban them to prevent "slippery slopes"? | | |
| ▲ | tomp 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > preemptively ban them I'm not the one who started banning though. I'd be open to first unbanning plastic straws and incandescent light bulbs, then unbanning artificial meat. Let the market decide! But I definitely want to ban them before they ban me. |
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| ▲ | tyleo 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That seems like bs to me. Normal people aren’t really buying much straws and I don’t know anyone still preferring the incandescent bulbs except maybe in some Christmas varieties. edit: I looked into it and incandescent bulbs aren’t normally preferred but there’s a small following. Even the following admits LED bulbs have a lot of benefits. It seems they just don’t like all the colors. | | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Incandescent bulbs produce pleasant light, but there are LED bulbs that have high CRI’s that the discerning consumer can opt to buy. The best thing to do here in my opinion is to encourage improvement of LED bulb tech by buying the nicer ones instead of cheaping out on low CRI bulbs. | |
| ▲ | trenchpilgrim 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Interestingly, there's a company that makes LED Christmas lights that look like incandescent lights. They've gotten quite popular- they have to be bought by preordering in summer to guarantee a set by the holidays. https://www.seasonsreflection.com/vintaglo | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | LED bulbs are about 10x the price and don’t last any longer. That’s what I don’t like. I’d buy them if the cost the same or close, or lasted substantially longer. | | |
| ▲ | p_j_w 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | >LED bulbs are about 10x the price and don’t last any longer. Every bit of research I've ever seen shows LEDs DO last substantially longer. 5-50x longer, depending on which kinda light you'd like to compare to [1]. They're also much cheaper over the long run when you factor in the cost of electricity. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S136403211... | |
| ▲ | throwaway2016a 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | When was the last time you actually priced them out? When they first came up they were pricy but unless you're talking about fancy smart-bulbs with Wifi and color changing, they are not 10x the price. And they empirically last 5-20+ times longer. So even before you consider that a huge portion of the energy put into incandescence is lost to heat (thereby making it cost MUCH more in electricity), they are still roughly the same price after accounting for lifespan. | |
| ▲ | acdha 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Citation needed on both points. The LED bulbs I'm using right now were less than double the price when I bought my house 15 years ago and while every incandescent and CFL bulb in the house has failed and been replaced since then, the LED bulbs I bought are still going strong and have paid for themselves many times over with 90% reduction in electricity usage. | | |
| ▲ | rectang 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Anecdotally, the LED bulbs I've bought from Ace Hardware (BR30 for 65 watt recessed kitchen lighting, and A19 for 75 watt classic bulbs) have consistently failed on order-of-months timescales similar to incandescents. Same with some Feit A19s from a few years back. But they cost more than incandescents! Apparently the market tolerates this garbage even though LEDs are supposed to be a superior technology and last longer (and some I've bought years ago have, I just don't remember the brand and it was in another house). Perhaps Ace is practicing planned obsolescence and taking advantage of their customers' expectations that "light bulbs get replaced"? | | |
| ▲ | tmeasday 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, weird (see reply to sibling). I have Philips Hue bulbs and I literally haven't replaced any of the ones I put in like 3-4 years ago. | |
| ▲ | acdha 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you returned them? I have a number of Feit bulbs which are in their second decade so I don't think it's as simple as a particular vendor skimping. |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Don't need a citation, as it's my personal experience. I'm not going to do a market research project for fskcing light bulbs. I buy them at Target, or wherever. They maybe last a year, like incandescents. Occasionally they last much less, like a week. And when they die, they are e-waste (at least better than CFLs, which are straight up hazmat waste). An incandescent bulb is a bit of glass and metal. I used to find incandescent bulbs 4 for a dollar on sale. An LED bulb is typically at least a couple of bucks, that's why I say 10x the price. I will grant they use less electricity, but my electric bill hasn't noticably changed. The amount of electricity I use for lights in my home isn't even noise in my monthly budget. But what is annoying is having to get out a stepladder once a month to change a bulb, when the huge selling point on these bulbs is that they were worth the price because they would last 10x as long. | | |
| ▲ | acdha 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Okay, so your personal anecdote is interesting but that doesn't mean that all of the people who have had very different experiences are making things up, it means there's something odd about the power at your house. Have you had problems with other electronics? I had an uncle who had “bad luck” like that until he got it tested and learned that the utility was supplying very noisy power which damaged anything more complicated than an incandescent bulb or old-school electric motor. | |
| ▲ | tmeasday 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wow, something weird is going on in your house. I literally never change my light bulbs, I was just thinking about this the other day when I was looking at my extra bulbs and considering where to store them. It occurred to me it's been literally years since I changed a bulb, whereas in the old days it used to be a regular occurrence. Also it's not hard to work out how much electricity you are saving. If you are worried about a couple of bucks, it won't take much usage of a 80W bulb to blow through that. |
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| ▲ | Loocid 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | >The proof is in the pudding / free market. Dumping toxic waste into a river would also lower costs for consumers vs disposing of it correctly, but there are regulations to prevent that. Complete unobstructed free market capitalism is not sustainable, there needs to be a balance. |
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