It's not really a comparable concern in gas cars, though. Range matters a lot more in EV because the charging stations are much rarer than gas stations.

If you lose 15% range in a gas car, ok, you have to get off one exit earlier to refuel. No big deal. But if you lose 15% range in a electric car, that is sometimes the difference between being able to make it to the next charging station (especially DC fast charging) station or being stranded by the side of the highway and needing a specialty tow.

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tshaddox 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Range matters a lot more in EV because the charging stations are much rarer than gas stations.

The classic topic in every EV "debate." Gas car drivers can't imagine having the equivalent of a 7 gallon tank. EV drivers can't imagine having a tank that isn't full every morning when you wake up.

	▲	solardev 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		It's not about whether it's full, but whether you can successfully make it to a faraway destination in a reasonable amount of time (& not adding hours & days to the trip). It's not really a "debate", just a consideration. We recently got an EV, and generally love it, but long trips are more difficult. We ended up taking the gas car because the EV would've added 5-6 hours to the trip, due to a lack of fast chargers along the routes we needed to take and the 200-ish mile range of our car. For around town, it's wonderful though.
	▲	bdcravens 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		My current EV is comparable to my last gas car in terms of range - about 300 miles (Kia EV6) vs 270 miles (Toyota C-HR) (I'm talking the miles I saw in my use, not the spec sheet)

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speedgoose 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In Norway, gas stations are now a lot rarer than fast charging stations. That was a fast transition. Some remove pumps to add chargers instead, some just close down.

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bdcravens 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's more a matter of your most common use. The average person drives around 40 miles a day. For those in that circumstance, who live in a home where they can charge in the garage, they may never touch a DC charger for months at a time.

Interestingly enough, the lack of fast chargers actually minimizes the issue of efficiency loss, rather than exacerbate it. I drove my EV from Texas to California and back in 2022. It wasn't super convenient, but doable, based on the spacing of fast chargers on the freeway. I had to charge each time I came by one, due to the spacing of them (being every 100 miles or so, I may not be able to skip one confidently). In that situation, a 15% loss in efficiency wouldn't make a difference either way.

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mattlondon 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Citation needed. EV chargers are actually pretty common, at least in the UK. Jump in any EV and the satnav will show you all the chargers nearby and they're basically everywhere. Sure perhaps 7kw and not 150kw+ but even grocery stores have many of those 150+ now, even if they don't have their own petrol station.

	▲	solardev 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, I'm sure it depends on the locale. Sorry for not specifying. In the US, particularly more rural areas, it's difficult because we have such vast distances. On a long trip, there aren't enough DC fast charger OR level 2 chargers, the ones that are there are often broken and/or in use, and it is quite the adventure to plot a longer trip.