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max_ 3 days ago

The entire internet needs to be re-designed to stand up against attacks.

- DDOS attacks

- Spamming

- UK like surveillance laws

- LLM scraping

Why is it that there is almost not initiative for this?

grues-dinner 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

The Internet has been redesigned. It's just not been redesigned with your interests in mind and at least some of the "attacks" are features to the right people.

theturtletalks 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The precursor to BitCoin was this interesting project called HashCash. It was built to combat email spam and forced the sender to spend compute solving a moderate hash and put it in the header. The person who receives the email can prove easily if the sender "paid" the cost.

progval 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are, but they each have their tradeoffs.

Proof of work and micropayments (eg. Xanadu or Internet Mail 2000) schemes solve spamming and LLM scraping, but are more expensive or more CPU-intensive.

P2P systems like FreeNet too, but they are harder to use and more storage intensive and make it easier to spy on individual users.

Tor solves UK-like surveillance laws but it's slower and makes it easier to spam.

freefaler 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Decentralization and interoperability, including the TCP routing protocols give the ability for the network to grow freely, but makes those kind of attacks easier.

The easiest way to mitigate those problem will be to decrease the openness and centralize more. It might lead to even worse things that DDOS.

GuB-42 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

RFC-3514 [1] proposed an effective solution against attacks.

So see, there are initiatives, but people treat it as a joke, maybe because of when it was released.

[1] https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt

butchkass 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Go right ahead

uberman 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Out of curiosity, do you see the archive in question as being part of the problem or that it needs protection from the issues you raise?

squigz 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because the vast majority of people don't want this, and not for some nefariuos reason or because they're stupid, but because we don't want to enable blatant fraud and abuse, among other things.

(Not to mention the astronomical technical work it would be; you can't just replace "The Entire Internet")

dulpo 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Redesigned like how?

anon191928 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

because they will come after new design? how do you not see this?

monster_truck 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'll start the wiki

meindnoch 3 days ago | parent [-]

I'll design the logo!

IAmBroom 3 days ago | parent [-]

I'll make a GUI in Visual Basic!

exe34 3 days ago | parent [-]

I'll bring my axe!

spogbiper 3 days ago | parent [-]

i'll make snacks

fsflover 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're probably looking for https://geti2p.net

exe34 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the problem is that anybody who does that work will be targeted very quickly by the people in power.

even if it's decentralised, it'll be banned one way or another and you'll be hunted down.

ilovefood 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I fully agree. It's difficult though because I genuinely believe that the solution space overlaps with cryptography, which is quickly discounted as viable option because it is now laden with negative connotations.

goku12 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Cryptography has negative connotations? Like what? Do you mean cryptocurrency by any chance? (If so, it's feasible to practice cryptography without touching cryptocurrency).

gia_ferrari 3 days ago | parent [-]

Not op, but in my bubble:

- DRM. - Owner-unfriendly device locks (such as manufacturer-controlled secure boot or locked-down OSes). - Inability to audit network traffic from one's own devices, i.e. an IoT device. - Remote attestation, when in opposition to open computing.

I could also see folks seeing the use of cryptography as "having something to hide" - I don't personally agree.

goku12 2 days ago | parent [-]

DRM, device locks and remote attestation are hate-worthy uses of cryptography. But don't you think that crypto has far more well known and beneficial uses? I have a hunch that even a layperson will understand the implications if anybody decided to ban E2EE or secure messengers. Not to mention the fact that the solutions for those clandestine uses are also based on crypto and reverse engineering.

If I correctly understand your point, you're highlighting the importance of perceptions. But I was under the impression that crypto is perceived as good in spite of its unpleasant applications.

vpribish 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

nah. cryptography is not seriously held back by cryptocurrency

random3 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Be the change you want to see in the world"

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