> Apple and Microsoft are both flailing at the device level. Apple is ahead there as at least I can tell you what they are not doing well. Microsoft’s approach is so incoherent that it struggles to tell you what they are doing, period.

Can you elaborate? I don't see what you're seeing.

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Spooky23 3 days ago | parent [-]

There’s a whole industry around critiquing Apple and their misadventures on iOS with respect to AI. We understand what is happening - there’s even podcasters castigating individual executives!

What is the story with Copilot as an on device feature of Windows? How dos that relate to an “AI PC”? In my business, what is Copilot (on the PC) do? How about Copilot Chat? How do they both relate to Copilot for Office 365?

Answer: I have no fucking idea. It’s a big soup of stuff with the same name that dumps everything in a bowl that the company makes. In a business, you’re going to make product decisions within your enterprise than fundamentally change the products based on your privacy and security needs and what countries you are operating in.

Apple has articulated a vision/framework for what they are delivering on device, with outside 1st party help and with 3rd parties. They’ve laid out how they are accessing your proprietary data. They have also failed to deliver.

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andsoitis 3 days ago | parent [-]

Ah, by "Apple and Microsoft are failing at the device level", you are specifically saying they are failing specifically with respect to AI inference executing on edge devices (rather than in the cloud)?

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Spooky23 3 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, that and edge platform integration with cloud services.

It’s complicated and difficult - I say fail in the “fail fast” sense, not as an insult. Where are the line(s) between Excel as a component of Windows, as a web service and as a node on the office graph?

If I need AI help integrated with the product to write Excel formulas, I think the way to get that from Microsoft is with Copilot for Office 365, which also accesses all of my data on the graph and can potentially leak stuff with web grounding. (Which for companies means you need to fix SharePoint governance and do lots of risk assessment #godbless)

I just go to ChatGPT.

	▲	ethbr1 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		> fix SharePoint governance and do lots of risk assessment Pretty sure that's the product requirement that drove MS Purview (previously: MS data protection?). No business wants to take the time to do data classification. No business is going to do cool new stuff with sensitive data. ... Therefore, flip Microsoft Purview on and when you leak data you now have someone to point the finger at. And can do cool stuff.