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| ▲ | jauntywundrkind 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| The tearing down what this admin dubs the "green new scam" is hugely responsible for this. De-funding & clawing back great investments towards the future, investments that would both power America and fuel our industrial base, drive huge economic growth. It's not just bad for energy generetion either! China is also building a huge war chest of IP patents. Its incredibly sad to see this un-forced error, this sabotage of America, this destruction of our leadership. To walk back to a fake Great Again idiocracy obsessed only with doing the opposite of the liberals. |
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| ▲ | dgfitz 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > China is also building a huge war chest of IP patents. My understanding is that China doesn’t care about abusing patents they don’t own. Is this incorrect? Do they value patents only when they hold them and enforce them? Asking sincerely. | | |
| ▲ | andersa 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | They don't use those patents internally, they discovered they can block progress in the west by spamming patents on absolutely everything and thus made it one of their strategies. The goal is to grind our industry to a halt and it's starting to work. | | | |
| ▲ | hsuduebc2 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well they usually just ignoring the patents and just copying it. The problem is when state actor, potentially, can fund applications for patents and act as a bad actor in the future. Application costs tens thousands of dollars. I actually came across this a few days ago here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44911423. Prusa, the creator of 3D printers, mentioned that Chinese companies are filing patents on parts he and his team originally released as open source. Just another clear example of how, for some reason, we in the West keep tolerating if not indirectly supporting this kind of behavior. | | |
| ▲ | est 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Chinese companies are filing patents on parts he and his team originally released as open source They didn't intentionally or exclusively targeting open source, the "# of patents" are very explicit KPI requirement for tech companies in China. Every team gotta grind patents as much as they can. | |
| ▲ | FpUser 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | >" Just another clear example of how, for some reason, we in the West keep tolerating if not indirectly supporting this kind of behavior." Live by the sword, die by the sword. It is the West that first turned patents into the weapon for big corps to fuck the rest of the world. Well now they're tasting it themselves | | |
| ▲ | hsuduebc2 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Can't really argue with that. I basically expect similar behavior to patent trolls in Europe and the US. And because of the Western sense of untouchability and the illusion of their own importance, they’ll allow themselves to be at least partially paralyzed by a flood of lawsuits. This isn’t about protecting knowhow or actually producing anything, but about generating as much legal and financial friction as possible. The difference is that in China it can be semi-state-backed or at least tolerated, so it’s not just a bizarre parasitic business model like in the West but also a geopolitical tactic. | | |
| ▲ | FpUser 3 days ago | parent [-] | | No matter the Country, all IP laws and practices are backed by government, otherwise how they can be enforced. |
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| ▲ | linkregister 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | The monolithic West, comprised of only bad actors, none good. Even the previous poster's example of the open source parts is invalid because the organization was part of the West. | | |
| ▲ | overfeed 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Obviously gp forgot that open source projects fall under the ambit of open source law, witten by open source legislators and adjudicated by open source court circuits /s The "west" absolutely has a monolithic IP jurisprudence, rules codified by trade agreements and passed laws[1]. This has harmed open source in the past, such as the multi-decade, recurring issue where folk have the license to make use of the source code, but not the associated trademarks. 1. As evidence, I offer the great mobile patent wars of the 2010's, which played out similarly across multiple countries the suits were filed, except the home-countries where the scales were the scales were thumbed. |
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| ▲ | Propelloni 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Whatever China does is what China does. The point is, Europe and the USA care, and patents have leverage in nations under the rule of law. |
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| ▲ | idiomat9000 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Meanwhile in china they set factories on fire because they are not paying the wages. Chinas graphs are as dubious as the sovjet unions and they have used up the working population that drove these economic miracles. |
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| ▲ | _DeadFred_ 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | appease7727 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Other nations comparable in wealth and power to the US have figured out how to build out green energy at scale. The US wants to pretend that is completely impossible and we should keep burning fossil fuels instead. Please learn some critical reading skills. | | |
| ▲ | voidfunc 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | We know how to build green energy at scale. Were not doing it because its politically undesirable to a chunk of the country and the fossil fuel industry. | | |
| ▲ | Teever 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Then you don't know how to do it. Knowing how to do something doesn't meanings knowing how to get it done. Which means convincing the right people to get it done. If that isn't happening you don't know what you're doing. | | |
| ▲ | _DeadFred_ 3 days ago | parent [-] | | So once I release a product and go into maintenance mode I no longer know how to release products? |
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| ▲ | _DeadFred_ 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Uncalled for attack. I don't think nationalism should be re-enforced even for 'ends I like'. I think it's better to convince people to do something on the merits. So I asked if there was a reason to push 'but China' and if you look below, someone gave me that. Which is what makes HN powerful and worth visiting. Attacks, not so much. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Fossil fuels are more expensive than new renewables and storage. This has to do with intentional sabotage of domestic energy supply for the benefit of the fossil fuel industry by the current federal administration. | |
| ▲ | ZeroGravitas 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Trump literally justified his actions based on climate change being a Chinese hoax. He recently claimed that China has no wind power turbines when they install 70% of them. | | |
| ▲ | _DeadFred_ 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Thank you for answering my question and giving me a reason for it. Now I understand. |
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| ▲ | Analemma_ 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s relevant because every single time the American green energy transition is brought up, people like you make bad-faith attempts to derail the conversation by going “it doesn’t matter what we do because China will still make tons of carbon”, and this information is demonstrating that’s not true. China is actually making considerable progress in decarbonization, and it’s us— and only us— who are the laggards. | | |
| ▲ | _DeadFred_ 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Huh? I'm 100% pro green power. Calling out jingoism/nationalism isn't anti-green. Nowhere did I say China makes any carbon. I said 'nationalism bad'. But thanks for the attack and down votes. |
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| ▲ | billy99k 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| If you want to remove all regulations, you too can have impressive growth. |
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| ▲ | triceratops 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I've heard many things about China. "No rules" isn't one of them. | |
| ▲ | cco 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Potentially, but in this case the administration is doing the exact opposite and making it harder to build by adding new regulation (and interpretation) that makes it harder to build new power generation. | |
| ▲ | energy123 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you remove bad regulations and enhance the good regulations, then yes. | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Isn't that supposed to be the Republican position? Get rid of all these job-killing regulations? Imposing bureaucratic offset requirements etc. for renewable generation is the opposite of that. It can't really be news that Trump is a hypocrite, but water is wet again today. |
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