Was Johnny Ive really a driver of innovation? Or just trading repairabily for vanity metrics?

mgh2 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

He was a great designer with low business acumen (without Jobs).

His realm at Apple began crumbling when he executed a flawed strategy for the Apple watch launch as a fashion item, instead of a technology product geared toward health (Fitbit was 1st). It costed Apple 25M, and seemed like buying advertising from influencers (similar to 23andme launch).

I usually value this youtuber's insights, but he has recently been reaching the wrong conclusions: https://youtu.be/JUG1PlqAUJk?si=_Y87UQGdhIo92a7r&t=469

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DrBenCarson 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You tell me, was the iPhone innovative?

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guestbest a day ago | parent | next [-]

The iPhone wasn’t as innovative as the AppStore which didn’t come around until iPhone OS 2. Selling software like music changed everything

	▲	DrBenCarson 16 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Cool. App Store extended the true innovation which was a fully capable OS in everyone’s pocket App Store doesn’t exist without iPhone just like Windows doesn’t exist without the PC

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paulryanrogers a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Was Ive involved in the iPhone creation? Or only its enshittification?

	▲	DrBenCarson 16 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Jony owned iPhone hardware design top-to-bottom through development and multiple launches You think he’s glorified for literally nothing?
	▲	dcrazy a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		When the iPhone was developed, Jony led industrial design but not yet software design.

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kjkjadksj 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

No it was inevitable

	▲	DrBenCarson 16 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Inevitable * in hindsight * Innovation is the introduction of a new paradigm that works so well that people can no longer imagine not having No one was close to the original iPhone at launch and they didn’t really catch up until ~iPhone 12 for truly competitive alternatives
	▲	bryanrasmussen 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		the inevitable things are the greatest innovations (in the realm of technology)