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Barrin92 4 days ago

>But that's because, at present, AI generated video isn't very good.

It isn't good, but that's not the reason. There's a paper about 10 years ago where people used some computer system to generate Bach-like music that even Bach experts couldn't reliably tell apart, but nobody listens to bot music. (or nobody except for engine programmers watches computer chess, despite superiority. Chess is thriving more now including commercially than it ever did)

In any creative field what people are after is the interaction between the creator and the content, which is why compelling personalities thrive more, not less in a sea of commodified slop (be that by AI or just churned out manually).

It's why we're in an age where twitch content creators or musicians are increasingly skilled at presenting themselves as authentic and personal. These people haven't suffered from the fact that mass production of media is cheap, they've benefited from it.

thefaux 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

The wonder of Bach goes much deeper than just the aesthetic qualities of his music. His genius almost forces one to reckon with his historical context and wonder, how did he do it? Why did he do it? What made it all possible? Then there is the incredible influence that he had. It is easy to forget that music theory as we know it today was not formalized in his day. The computer programs that simulate the kind of music he made are based on that theory that he understood intuitively and wove into his music and was later revealed through diligent study. Everyone who studies Bach learns something profound and can feel both a kinship for his humanity and also an alienation from his seemingly impossible genius. He is one of the most mysterious figures in human history and one could easily spend their entire life primarily studying just his music (and that of his descendants). From that perspective, computer generated music in his style is just a leaf on the tree, but Bach himself is the seed.

> These people haven't suffered from the fact that mass production of media is cheap, they've benefited from it.

Maybe? This really depends on your value system. Every moment that you are focused on how you look on camera and trying to optimize an extractive algorithm is a moment you aren't focused on creating the best music that you can in that moment. If the goal is maximizing profit to ensure survival, perhaps they are thriving. Put another way, if these people were free to create music in any context, would they choose content creation on social media? I know I wouldn't, but I also am sympathetic to the economic imperatives.

oinfoalgo 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am a Bach fiend and the problem is BWV 1 to 1080.

Why would I listen to algorithmic Bach compositions when there are so many of Bach's own work I have never listened to?

Even if you did get bored of all JS music, Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach has over 1000 works himself.

There are also many genius baroque music composers outside the Bach family.

This is true of any composer really. Any classical composer that the average person has heard of has an immense catalog of works compared to modern recording artists.

I would say I have probably not even listened to half the works of all my favorite composers because it is such a huge amount of music. There is no need for some kind of classical music style LORA.

vidarh a day ago | parent [-]

I don't question Bach's genius, but most baroque music doesn't interest me. Some of Bach's music I still enjoy enough that I could see myself listen to AI generated tracks made to generate music specifically similar to those pieces of Bach (and others) that I like. Though not enough that I'd seek out that in particular, and so I think the combination of what you say, with the general low-level of interest of those who would if it just happened to appear in my playlist still explains why it's not really a thing.

There are many artists, across the spectrum, like that for me, from geniuses that are just outside my own taste, to mediocre "one hit wonders" where I realise why they only had one hit when I listened to the rest of their catalogue but reallly would like more like that one hit (or handful)

And even when you like a broader selection of a composers music, there are time you might want "more of the same" of a specific piece. E.g. I quite like Beethoven, but I love the Moonlight Sonata, not just for what it is in itself, but the general systematic exploration of repetitive and slowly shifting of it.

There are other pieces by wildly different composers that invokes similar systematic exploration of patterns [1], but I'd also love to be able to hear more new "improvisations" over specific instances tuned very specifically to the aspects I like.

[1] On the extreme other "end" of these types of shiting repetitive patterns, I love Rob Hubbards Delta in-game theme of 11+ minutes of patterns repeated and iterated over as an illustration of the wide range that I like for much the same reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOpIbm_XX-k

You can also find a slightly less shrill modern remake, though it also adds a bit too much for my taste: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WE6av3g_8I&list=RD-WE6av3g_...

Or a somewhat more faithful arrangement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHpYBGW41gw&list=RDAHpYBGW41...

vidarh 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's interesting, because after ElevenLabs launched their music generation I decided I really quite want to spent some time to have it generate background tracks for me to have on while working.

I don't know the name of any of the artists whose music I listened to over the last week because it does not matter to me. What mattered was that it was unobtrusive and fit my general mood. So I have a handful of starting points that I stream music "similar to". I never care about looking up the tracks, or albums, or artists.

I'm sure lots of people think like you, but I also think you underestimate how many contexts there are where people just don't care.

pfdietz 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Authenticity and sincerity are very important. When you can fake those, you've got it made.