I'm an anarchist. I'm completely opposed to the current judicial system in the USA. Im not quite clear what I can change about my previous message to make that more clear but perhaps with this message my previous can be ready in the correct light.

Normal doesn't mean good... Wage slavery and people killing themselves to make iphones is also normal.

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> I'm an anarchist.

Yeah we will disagree on that really much, but I only find that tangentially to my point here, except if you think that this ideas is only promoted by anarchists. When this attitude is only promoted by the rare anarchist, then I find that somewhat "okish". My concern is when that attitude becomes commonplace.

> Normal doesn't mean good.

A Norm is a subjective society-wide agreed moral stance. What you seam to mean is what I would expect to be called common.

That's basically my point treating it normal means endorsing it.

> I'm completely opposed to the current judicial system in the USA.

Yet this will also be the judicial system of next year. These things seem to stay constant even across civil wars and revolutions.

That's why I think you should think of it as THE judicial system. It will be also the judicative of your aspired state (unless you disagree that there needs to be a judicative), if you want it to act differently you need to expect it to act differently, while of course still not being surprised when it doesn't.

Somebody on HN recently claimed, that you can't treat your child as a "X" and expect it to not become "X". I think that applies also the state branches.

When you give up and say it has always been like this, then you endorse the current regime.

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Oh, and I parsed

> Most values Americans falsely believe their institutions are upholding

   (Most values Americans falsely believe) (their institutions are upholding)

instead of

    Most values Americans (falsely believe) their institutions are upholding

which totally changes meaning.

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komali2 19 hours ago | parent [-]

> Yet this will also be the judicial system of next year. These things seem to stay constant even across civil wars and revolutions.

That's a shame then, because that means we anarchists are correct that it is a lost cause and must be completely dismantled, a process which will probably result in short term suffering for some.

I'm not sure where belief comes into it. The fact is that the judicial system is wildly inconsistent and arbitrary in the USA. That Americans trust it and anarchists (and other leftists) don't just means many people are ignorant of reality. Pursuing further ignorance seems the wrong strategy. Ostrich, head in sand.

Expectations are nothing without action. Unless people acknowledge the reality that the judicial system is unsalvageable, they'll just accept it for what it is.

Or if you want to be a liberal democrat about it (in the actual meaning of those words, not the Americanized versions), you still need to be aware of the system's rot to cut it out. I don't mind if libs take a crack at fixing it but historically they reallllllly prefer not to.

	▲	1718627440 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> That's a shame then No, you want to dismantle the judicial branch, because of their failures, but you also say you're an anarchist, so people hear you and think you are against every kind of judiciary and will oppose you. Violence will never lead to a better regime. Public opinion does. There might be violence while public opinion reveals itself. Denacification didn't happened by convicting them. It happened by temporarily forcing others into power and THEN raising children, who think differently. > you still need to be aware of the system's rot to cut it out Yes. There is a difference between "The system sucks fundamentally and has for 250 years, so screw it" and "The system is just and should be protected, there just happened to be a lot of idiots in there for the merely 250 years. That's why need to bring back it's glory." The latter might improve things, the former will only cause self-enforcing violence.