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monkeyelite 3 days ago

What do you think about the 2020 election?

Spivak 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I get the feeling this is meant juxtapose the statements Democrats made about the election being very secure in 2020/2024 and how little election fraud is even attempted let alone is successful with the statements Democrats are making now about how the midterms and 2028 elections are going to be rigged.

There is surely nothing at all different about our government as it was in 2024 vs today. We don't have a president that openly told his supporters that they won't have to vote in the next election because "we'll have it fixed so good." We don't have a president helping states more effectively gerrymander their districts, we don't have an administration passing new regulations making it harder to register to vote, restrictions on mail in ballots, and new rules for voting machines designed to decease polling location throughout which affects population centers the most.

Democracy in the US isn't well protected against "find a thing that splits across parties mostly evenly and then make it harder for your opponents." The AlphaPheonix gerrymandering software can give you any election result you want. You don't have to ever stuff a ballot box to get whatever result you want.

monkeyelite 3 days ago | parent [-]

Ok, I just was to remind you that if you held this view in 2020 your comment would be removed from any website including twitter and YouTube.

Damogran6 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think every accusation is a confession.

z0r 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

This is nicely ambiguous.

AnthonyMouse 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Does this also apply when your side makes an accusation?

Damogran6 3 days ago | parent [-]

You can show me the relative statistics and we can debate it, but I'll not waste time on someone who isn't really interested in honest discourse.

monkeyelite 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think the honest thing would be to accept that 2020 and 2024 are equally rigged, or neither of them are.

AnthonyMouse 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Either "every accusation is a confession" or there are some that aren't based on statistics or other evidence, so which is it?

ohdeargodno 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The same thing as every election that involves voting machines: that its results cannot be trusted, and that their very presence erodes what little trust Americans can have in their failing democracy.

Now, if you want to trust that the private militia with a budget higher than every single army in the world is definitely not going to intimidate voters and that the machines being "re-certified" are going to have accurate results, boy do I have a bridge to sell you.

LearnYouALisp 3 days ago | parent [-]

And what understanding of the chains of custody, any audit processes, formal validation, authentication and security, and any FOIA-requestable information do you have that qualifies you to say that?

--- Is that really your own-developed opinion, based on concrete available data and reasonable examples, having passed through your own mind and examined by yourself? Or just entertaining oneself by spouting vehement political rhetoric for gratification? (i.e. opinion entertainment. as FN is rightly called)

ohdeargodno 3 days ago | parent [-]

Your failed democracy is imprisoning citizens in concentration camps, ignoring judge orders, threatening political leaders and has shown callous disregard for any rule of law.

But yeah sure, they're very afraid about FOIA requests :)

electrondood 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It was well-litigated by the Trump administration, and none of their frivolous claims held up. They lost ~60 of their 63 court cases, and the 3 they won were technicalities.

2020 was a free and fair election.