| ▲ | PaulHoule 3 days ago |
| The film business is increasingly niche. I can’t get over how much better performing 35mm full frame mirrorless cameras are than the old film cameras. To get a shot like this https://mastodon.social/@UP8/114401857009398302 with film I would have needed a medium format camera and tripod, today it is an easy handheld shot you can do spontaneously with a travel lens that goes from 28-200mm. I can go to a soccer or basketball game and shoot bursts, come back with 3000 photos and catch things like two guys tries to head the ball at the same time https://mastodon.social/@UP8/113240678816336189 … and I can afford to do it! |
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| ▲ | losteric 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I shoot on digital and film. Film photography has been "niche" for nearly 2 decades at this point. Comparing it to digital photography is like pointing out "smart watches can do so much more than mechanical watches" - that's not the point. There's an overlap between the mystique of analog technologies, the ritual and limitations of physical processes, and status. Status in affording the time to learn about this niche, the money for hardware and film, the space for development (sometimes), signalling a different mentality towards content (in theory). Plus, for me, the end-to-end analogue feels like a retort to this phase of digital disinformation/AI-everything. Any Joe can buy an expensive mirrorless with a good travel lens, shoot 3000 photos at a game, and come away with some good ones. Monkey on a typewriter and all that. |
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| ▲ | PaulHoule 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | This primate spends plenty of time in the digital darkroom, more than I spend at the actual events whether I am looking at the best 10% or 1%. I color grade everything and almost always make local adjustments -- I find color graded flower photos are hugely crowd pleasing and for sports a lot of student athletes have the beauty of youth but also really bad acne not just on their face but on their legs and for every event I develop a LUT which handles issues like that not too mention everything from neon-colored sports gear and green foliage that can be too saturated if not entirely out-of-gamut while still keeping the jersey colors recognizable. My last 3 years of photography really started when I got a "free" inkjet printer and realized it would dry out if I didn't use it regularly and challenged myself to make a print every day and realized it couldn't just be anime girls from danbooru so that program was hungry for images and dragged me kicking and screaming into photography https://www.behance.net/gallery/232344867/Life-is-Better-Wit... and as much as people like to bitch about the ink mafia, the performance of digital inkjet printing for the price is off the chart, my materials cost for 13x19 prints is well under $2 a page. | |
| ▲ | alistairSH 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All of this. I shoot more film today than digital. I like the process more. The shots cost real $, so I'm more thoughtful about what I capture. The cameras[1] are mechanical art and feel good to use. I look forward to the delayed satisfaction due to off-site processing. The results might not be "pixel perfect" but photography rarely is... I prefer the slightly less perfect aesthetic - the grain, the slight miss on color, etc. But, I also shoot Polaroid, so I might just be a hipster who lacks self-awareness. ;) 1 - Olympus 35DC, Olympus 35RD, and Canon Demi EE-17 for film. Olympus E-M5 and Pen E-P5 for mirrorless. Polaroid Go for instant. | |
| ▲ | jamil7 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't spend anytime post-processing or editing apart from occasional cropping. Film gives me a better baseline for that than digital does, at least for what I want and I just prefer the process. Digital encourages a workflow thats a lot more attached to post and being back at my computer rather than just out taking photos. | |
| ▲ | h2zizzle 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | To be fair, film photography has itself always been, "Monkey with a trust fund on a typewriter." Even with those that are actually technically adept, the skill/luck balance is far less venerable than with actual artists like painters and sculptors and CG wranglers. | | |
| ▲ | throw0101a 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > To be fair, film photography has itself always been, "Monkey with a trust fund on a typewriter." As a GenXer who lived through the transition, and worked a photo-processing job for a couple of years, I disagree. There were plenty of people taking meaningful—though perhaps not artistic—photos with point and shoot and even disposable cameras. Regular people taking photos of birthdays, weddings, funerals, baptisms, vacations, retirements, etc. I processed and colour corrected tens of thousands of photos and the majority of them had people smiling, laughing, crying, etc, and were put in photobooks: some to never to be seen again, or perhaps looked when someone died when memories for a photo slideshow were desired. |
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| ▲ | squidsoup 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not many digital cameras today can approach the quality of medium format 6x7, and no digital cameras in existence can hope to approach the resolution and quality of large format film photography. |
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| ▲ | Finnucane 3 days ago | parent [-] | | A medium-format Hasselblad or Fuji camera can get pretty close. I mean, my Hasselblad 503cx and Fuji 690 are my favorite cameras, and if I could justify spending the money, a digital back for the Blad would be pretty tempting. And for my 4x5s, it really depends a lot on the particulars of film and lenses. That's quite variable. And it's an entirely different way of working. |
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| ▲ | i_am_proteus 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you're interested, hunt around for an EOS-1 or 1N - it's a 35mm film camera with pretty fast autofocus that can use contemporary Canon EF-mount lenses. (Canon still sells the cameras and lenses, although they're being phased out in favor of RF). Load Portra 400 and shoot in good light, and you might be surprised. |
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| ▲ | the_af 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hey Paul, this comment sparked my curiosity: > Got a lot of great photos this time because I put to use what I learned shooting basketball. I suppose you mean "action photos"? Any (informal, quick and dirty) tips? Especially for photos to be taken with phones or cheap cameras? Or is it hopeless? |
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| ▲ | EvanAnderson 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I still shoot primarily on DSLR. I don't know how a modern mirrorless compares, but for me shutter lag is the big killer when it comes to action shots. I grew up shooting 35mm film and my first digital cameras were a shock with their significant shutter lag. To some extent I can "learn" the lag for a given camera and compensate somewhat for things that move regularly. For irregular motion (like sports) shutter lag is maddening. Re: hopeless - I supposed you could use multi-shot burst on laggy cameras and pull the trigger early. | | |
| ▲ | UltraSane 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Modern digital cameras have a mode where they are constantly taking pictures in a small rolling buffer and when you press the "shutter" button it simply keeps the last n seconds of images. It is an amazing feature for action photography and is how a LOT of amazing shots have been captured. With 6k and higher res video the line between video and photography is blurring and with RAW codecs you can just capture scenes in video and pic out what frames you like. |
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| ▲ | PaulHoule 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | For me one realization was that a good portrait is a good sports photo. It is better still to show some action or make a photo that tells a story but you can sell pictures to the parents of a student athlete if you make their child look like a superstar. The best purchase I made for indoor sports photography was DxO photolab which has a denoiser that means photos shot at ISO 6400 look perfect and can even make decent shots at 50000+ ISO https://mastodon.social/@UP8/114961647210448472 With basketball and a lot of sports there is the problem that if you follow the ball you get a lot of shots of people’s rear ends because that is how the geometry works so you have to fight that and look for the opportunities where things open up and you get a good ‘portrait’ and if you do that the action and story shots will happen. Headers in soccer are a special case, you realize people in sports are trained to do things a certain way so you know if the ball gets kicked high towards certain players they will try a header so you shoot a burst. For baseball you camp at a spot where you can see home plate and third base so you can show what is at stake, get the runner making a score, etc. https://mastodon.social/@UP8/114849463914827733 I started out with a Sony alpha 7ii which was deeply discounted, when it broke and I wanted to stay in the game I got a 7iv and sent out the 7ii out for repair, now I have a monster backpack and often go out with two cameras https://mastodon.social/@UP8/114866409940645564 But since the lid blew off in Gaza we have a clear bag policy at my Uni so I take just one camera to games. For indoor sports my weapon of choice is this lens https://electronics.sony.com/imaging/lenses/all-e-mount/p/se... but my favorite lens for walking about and outdoor events where I can get close is https://tamron-americas.com/product/28-200mm-f-2-8-5-6-di-ii... which I use for things like https://www.yogile.com/trackapalooza-2025#12s because the optical quality is great for a lens so versatile. |
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| ▲ | throw432189 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > 35mm full frame mirrorless camera Can I ask what camera you use? |
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| ▲ | kylehotchkiss 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hi Paul! Are you a fujifilm guy? |
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| ▲ | actionfromafar 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| 3000 photos. One mans dream is another’s nightmare. |
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| ▲ | SamBam 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I think it's a dream if you know your aim at the onset is to get 2-5 good shots out of it, so you know you're going to quickly go through and delete almost every photo. Just scan the whole thing and see if there are any that are great. If you're undisciplined and only delete the obviously bad ones, and end up with 1800 photos that you think you'll look through at some point, well then you have a pile of junk you're never going to look at again. | | |
| ▲ | PaulHoule 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I do events for the Finger Lakes Runners Club which I look at like "Space Mountain", you paid admission so you should get at least one good pic, at this event there were a total of 1000 volunteers and runners and I think I got about 600 https://www.behance.net/gallery/232159469/Skunk-Cabbage-Run-... mainly camped at the finish line. I went to a double-header basketball game of men and women Aug 31 and finally got around to developing it last week and got maybe 400 images that I processed with DxO, that is part of a program of building up a stock of images so I can always be posting them to social media. All of those are "good enough" but yeah the best 40 or best 4 of those are better. If I was selling pictures to the local paper I'd be selling 1 to 3 per game. My secret weapon for going through huge numbers of photos is an XBOX controller and https://keysticks.net/ so I can push a couch up near the computer and sit back and grade photos quickly. I hear some pros shoot 10,000 images at soccer games. I regularly spend more time processing images from an event than I spend at the event. | |
| ▲ | the_af 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > and end up with 1800 photos I suffer from this when taking photographs of my daughter. I suppose every parent does. And the end result IS that I end up with a pile of photos I'll never look at again. "I should delete 99% of these photos I took from her birthday. But she looks so cute in this one! Oh, and this one! Which is a minor variation of the other one. But I could never delete it." I'm much more inclined to delete redundant photos of nature, landscapes, etc, but then again -- since they are static -- I also tend to take fewer of those to begin with! | | |
| ▲ | SamBam 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Fully agree, as a parent. I used to set goals for myself during my train commutes, to try and delete 100 pictures during my half-hour ride, but I didn't keep it up long enough to really make a dent. |
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| ▲ | squidsoup 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sounds like a nightmare. My cameras gives me 10 exposures. I think about them carefully. |
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