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OsrsNeedsf2P 7 days ago

This is what product market fit looks like; everyone is trashing various pieces of Zenobia, but it's still getting upvoted because we all want the solution.

federiconafria 7 days ago | parent | next [-]

Apparently not everyone: https://www.reddit.com/r/CreditCards/comments/1hxiusj/europe...

haritha-j 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Living in the UK, I didn't realise rewards were such a big deal in the US. I'm shocked at the resistance though, to me,, its a no brainer to just be charged less in the first place rather than have to keep track of some silly reward system to get back the extra money that they charged me. It's the same reason I prefer Aldi to all the other supermarkets, that make me keep track of some silly reward scheme, plus use my data to sell me more stuff to boot.

OkayPhysicist 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Credit card rewards programs are "eh", but for me I'd be worried about being forced into a low-trust system like Europe has. In the states, I don't have to worry, at all, about someone using my credit card for nefarious purposes. Getting any such fraudulent activity purged from my card is as easy as flagging it in my banking app.

This leads to a number of positive outcomes, such as not worrying at all about sketchy or online purchases, and "American style" payment at restaurants (where we just toss our card on the receipt, and eventually it gets picked up, processed, and returned without further interruption).

rprend 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it's a super dangerous tarpit, because it has what id call theoretical product market fit: when you describe it to people, they're super excited by it. Everybody says that they want it and they encourage you along the way. But when it comes down to it, nobody wants the solution

Copenjin 7 days ago | parent | prev [-]

A solution to what? Serious question, I don't have any issue with the current model. Or are you referring to recent events?

scotty79 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

To duopoly exploiting customers? Europe knocked down transfer fees to 0.2% for debit cards and 0.3% for credit card. All fees for the merchant sum up to something around 1%. So anything on top of that, that Visa customers pay in US is pure exploitation. And US government isn't doing anything so people see alternate solutions for this problem.

kennywinker 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The problem of paying 1-3% of every purchase to credit card companies, causing everything to cost 1-3% more.

amanaplanacanal 6 days ago | parent [-]

Are merchants going to charge different prices depending on your payment method? Or stop taking visa/MasterCard entirely? I don't see either one of those happening.

orthecreedence 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Are merchants going to charge different prices depending on your payment method?

They are barred from doing so by credit card companies. That's why many smaller shops have "cash preferred" signs.

kennywinker 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

So, you don’t believe that a non-governmental tax on every transaction causes prices to rise? Because you’d be in disagreement with probably every economist ever.

Or are you just saying change is impossible so why bother?