Really? Even at events like EMF? I'd be really surprised.

But yeah my view of the hacker scene is very much tailored by these events. I wouldn't even go to something like Black Hat - way too corporate. Even though I work in "cyber" myself.

I spoke at the 2nd Black Hat and was rewarded with a spot on Jeff Moss's hotel room couch because he forgot to obtain a hotel room for me; the firm I cofounded in 2005 (Matasano Security) was acquired by NCC Group, the largest "white hat" firm in the UK. I'd just say: "white hat" is a much more diverse community than most HN commenters intuitions about security people would indicate.

There were a lot of white hat people that were made during Snowden --- at Snowden. Glem Greenwald didn't help matters much.

(Obviously also a lot of white hat people pissed for the opposite reason! I'm only saying it's a diverse group.)