>Western strain of extreme pacifism that encourages smart hackers to eschew military applications entirely

Not what people are saying. There would be little noise if there were talks at defcon about Ukrainian cyberwarfare or hacking Russian military infrastructure.

This is about the united states military industrial complex. Can you even point out a military that did more harm to the world at large in the last 50 years? How many dead? How many human right violations?

The head of the NSA as well, post-snowden? Come on.

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psunavy03 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The only reason there still is a Ukraine is the US so-called "military industrial complex." And guess who the ooga-booga scary NSA is probably giving intelligence products to, or at least probably was until January?

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sebstefan 19 hours ago | parent [-]

The flimsy support for Ukraine doesn't erase 50 years of catastrophic effects of USA interventionism

You can cherry pick a few good things. Ukraine, Kosovo, Korea, maybe Libya, the first Gulf war, the Berlin air-lift

Then you come back to reality. The war on terror, El Salvador, Chile, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Laos, arming the Saudis, Irak, Afghanistan

If you engage in 50 or so interventions and all except one fail miserably, often in horrifying ways that result in the deaths of millions of people, it’s really hard to maintain that that’s a good record.

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psunavy03 18 hours ago | parent [-]

OK, so we're just going to handwave away any positive impact the US has had in preserving the rules-based international order for the past 70 years and amplify every US failure, while not even taking into consideration the alternatives like Russia and China. Keep living in your bubble.

	▲	sebstefan 16 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You do whatever you want. >preserving the rules-based international order The USA's foreign policy is anything but rules-based. They're brutal and barbaric. You can agitate China and Russia as being scarier, that doesn't make the U.S. military a force of good. If you're asking the whether they have their place being shoved at the center of Defcon you have to take in the whole picture
	▲	stickfigure 17 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Exactly. We can just look at the North/South Korea divide to see the alternative world histories that could have been.

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ecshafer 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Who do you think are the ones actually supporting Ukrainian cybersecurity and hacking Russian military? Ill give you a hint they are the ones sitting in office parks in maryland writing software for the NSA and DOD.

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	▲	sebstefan 19 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		It doesn't erase the last 50 years Broken clocks, all that. State of the clock pending what's going to come out in the news about Orange guy's meeting with Putin where they are discussing the surrender of Ukrainian territories without Ukraine's opinion.