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| ▲ | cubefox 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Because it's a mirage. People want to be loved, but GPT-4o doesn't love them. It only creates an optical illusion of love. | | |
| ▲ | 9rx 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | People want the feelings associated with love. They don't care how they get it. The advantage of "real" love, health wise, is that the other person acts as a moderator. When things start to get out of hand they will back away. Alternatives, like drugs, tend to spiral of out of control when an individual's self-control is the only limiting factor. GPT on the surface seems more like being on the drug end of the spectrum, ready to love bomb you until you can't take it anymore, but the above suggests that it will also back away, so perhaps its love is actually more like another person than it may originally seem. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > People want the feelings associated with love. They don't care how they get it. Most people want to be loved, not just believe they are. They don't want to be unknowingly deceived. For the same reason they don't want to be unknowingly cheated on. If someone tells them their partner is a cheater, or an unconscious android, they wouldn't be mad about the person who gives them this information, but about their partner. That's the classic argument against psychological hedonism. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_machine | | |
| ▲ | scotty79 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Most people want to be loved, not just believe they are. Many people who are genuinely loved don't feel loved. So people really are more after the feeling than the fact. | |
| ▲ | 9rx 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > For the same reason they don't want to be unknowingly cheated on. That's the thing, though, there is nothing about being a cheater that equates to loss of love (or never having loved). In fact, it is telling that you shifted gears to the topic of deceit rather than love. It is true that feelings of love are often lost when one has been cheated on. So, yes, it is a fair point that for many those feelings of love aren't made available if one does not also have trust. There is a association there, so your gear change is understood. I expect you are absolutely right that if those aforementioned women dating GPT-4o found out that it wasn't an AI bot, but actually some guy typing away at a keyboard, they would lose their feelings even if the guy on the other side did actually love them! Look at how many people get creeped out when they find out that a person they are disinterested in loves them. Clearly being loved isn't what most people seek. They want to feel the feelings associated with love. All your comment tells, surprising nobody, is that the feelings of love are not like a tap you can simply turn on (well, maybe in the case of drugs). The feelings require a special environment where everything has to be just right, and trust is often a necessary part of that environment. Introduce deceit and so goes the feelings. |
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| ▲ | scotty79 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you get a massage from massage machine is it also a mirage? If you use a vibrator is it also a mirage? Why it suddenly becomes an unhealthy mirage if you need words to tickle yourself? | | |
| ▲ | cubefox 2 days ago | parent [-] | | A vibrator still works as intended if you believe it doesn't love you. GPT-4o stops working as intended if you believe it doesn't love you. The latter relies on an illusion, the former doesn't. (More precisely, a vibrator still relies on an illusion in the evolutionary sense: it doesn't create offspring, so over time phenotypes who like vibrators get replaced by those who don't.) | | |
| ▲ | scotty79 2 days ago | parent [-] | | That's simply not true. Vibrators don't really work that well if you somehow suppress the fantasies during use. Same way that GPT-4o works better if you fantasize briefly that it might love you when it says what it does. Almost all people who use it in this manner are fully aware of its limitations. While they are phrasing it as "I lost my love" their complaints are really of the kind of "my toy broke". And they find similar mitigation strategies for the problem, finding another toy, giving each other tips on how to use what's available. As for the evolutionary perspective, evolution is not that simple. Gay people typically have way less offspring than vibrator users and somehow they are still around and plentiful. Brains are messy hodgepodge of various subsystems. Clever primates found multitude of way how to mess with them to make life more bearable. So far the species continuous regardless. |
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