| ▲ | scotty79 2 days ago |
| It's kind of weird that even though air and flying is associated with ultimate dreamlike freedom it is regulated so stringently even in places where there are basically no humans, no infrastructure, barely even any nature to protect |
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| ▲ | ergsef 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| There's a lot of nature to protect in Antarctica, and there are very strict rules. This guy is selfishly flaunting those rules and just paying to get rid of the consequences. Considering he's got a personal plane and pilot's license at 19 he obviously has rich parents who can buy his way out of trouble. Donating to charity is not impressive if you're still rich after you donate. Me giving $20 to a homeless person is a bigger blow to my personal wellbeing than this guy's "donation". |
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| ▲ | ryandrake 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > This guy is selfishly flaunting those rules and just paying to get rid of the consequences. Heads up: You probably mean he is "flouting" those rules, not "flaunting." Different word. | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > This guy is selfishly flaunting those rules “flouting” the rules actually. Loosely: Flaunting: ostentatiously displaying Flouting: ostentatiously defying | |
| ▲ | llbbdd 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does the relative impact on the donator in some way change how much $20 is worth to the recipient? | |
| ▲ | scotty79 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > There's a lot of nature to protect in Antarctica I'm sure the entire Chilean military base with all the fuel they burn there and garbage they produce is built there specifically to protect Antarctic nature from occasional idiots in small planes. He obviously can afford it, like the Chilean government could afford to put unnecessary military base there. Somehow when some government is stupidly splurging it's good and fine because they do it in accordance with rules, that they written themselves. | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > I'm sure the entire Chilean military base with all the fuel they burn there and garbage they produce is built there specifically to protect Antarctic nature from occasional idiots in small planes. Its mostly there because it includes Chile’s main scientific/meteorological research station in Antarctica and the airfield providing for personnel and supply transport for both that station and the nearby stations of other countries. | |
| ▲ | netsharc 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you always talk out of your ass, Scott? In regards to "rules they wrote themselves":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Environmental_Prot... | | |
| ▲ | scotty79 a day ago | parent [-] | | And which point of the protocol allows Chile to build a military base there? | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter a day ago | parent [-] | | The base was established in 1969, the protocol was signed in 1991 and entered into force in 1998. | | |
| ▲ | scotty79 a day ago | parent [-] | | So why is it still there? They should pack up theirs stuff and go back home in 1998 at the latest. | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter a day ago | parent [-] | | Because its largely a scientific/meteorological research station and an airport serving that station and the many others of different countries on King George Island, and because nothing in the Protocol prohibits it? |
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| ▲ | throwway120385 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Chile has a right to regulate their territorial waters and sky however they see fit. Just because he has a PPL from the US it doesn't give him the right to totally ignore the regulations in a foreign country. Part of international travel is being respectful to the places that you're traveling through, like knowing their laws and customs and not assuming that you can just do whatever you want there because you've got a flight back in a few days. |
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| ▲ | BoxOfRain 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | To be fair in Antarctica territorial ownership is a bit strange, as I understand it a lot of countries don't recognise Antarctic claims in general and those that do tend to do so on a mutual basis. The British, Chilean, and Argentine claims considerably overlap as well which further complicates the matter. | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter a day ago | parent [-] | | Filing false flight plans and make unapproved landings at military-operated bases in territory with conflicting claims of three different countries is, in general, even dumber than doing it in territory claimed by only one country. |
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| ▲ | scotty79 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nobody recognizes their right to that part of Antarctic. The only right they have is (local and limited) might. | | |
| ▲ | throwway120385 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Why are you so personally invested in this? | | |
| ▲ | scotty79 a day ago | parent [-] | | Because I read too many comments here, by people super seriously invested in some teenager obeying some arbitrary rules far away, over vast swaths of water, both liquid and solid. And it seriously irked me. I know rules are there for a reason. Some are even good and make cooperation between people easier. But when rare edge case happens I hate that the first instinct of random people is to ponder how the rules, established by wealthy and powerful, should be applied with maximum severity to inflict maximum damage on the stupid kid that wanted to stand out. And all this while established international rules regarding war crimes are violated daily. And the criminal suffers no punishment, barely any inconvenience and gets to have a meeting with US president in Alaska, who himself is also a criminal, just not of the war flavor, yet, probably. There was this guy a while back: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust Young people want to do daring things. Don't crucify them in your minds on behalf of powerful, rich, old farts when they try, if noone got hurt. | | |
| ▲ | greenavocado a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly. I have lost all ability to care when people complain about petty things like how outrageous it is to dare to land on a slab of ice and rock but at the same time not do anything about multiple active genocides. I just focus on my friends, family, and community and have lost all ability to care about these broader questions. | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter a day ago | parent [-] | | > how outrageous it is to dare to land on a slab of ice and rock The particular “slab of ice and rock” that he landed on without permission after filing a false flight plan appears to be (while the story mentions only that it is a military base) a public airport operated by the Chilean air force, and the only airport on King George Island. (The name the article uses for the base is actually the name of the airport that is part of the base, the base has a different name.) There's kind of a good reason for them to be touchy about people not following protocol with things like flight plans and landing permissions. | | |
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| ▲ | jart a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Don't call him a stupid kid. He represents everything I believe in as a hacker. He's smart, beautiful, talented, and wants to live life pulling off cool stunts that inspire the rest of us, with or without permission. Silly rules aren't meant for people like him. It's a travesty that a hacker forum would hate hackers so much and cheer on a scheming third world government stamping out his dream. A good, wise, enlightened government would try to cultivate this kind of curiosity and spunk, rather than seeing it as an opportunity to inflict pain and bleed someone for a small amount of money. When I grew up in America, the movies idolized people like him, and that's one of the reasons America has been so successful. I hope he isn't so traumatized by this unfair abuse that he never wants to be audacious again. | | |
| ▲ | netsharc a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It really is a pathetic "hacker" move if the plan was "Let's just flaunt the rules, land in 'hostile' territory and hope the punishment isn't so severe.". So far his talent is operating a plane, lots of people can do that. An actual hacker would figure out something clever to not be caught, be arrested/detained for several weeks (de facto if not de jure), and relying on daddy's dollars to bail him out... | | |
| ▲ | jart 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It is often easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. Flaunting the rules was probably his only option for getting into Antarctica. I imagine for many hackers in the past, their best hope of getting to play with a serious computer was to hack into one. The motivation is what matters. If your goal is to do crime and profit, then yes, not getting caught is very important. But if your goal is curiosity or to tell a compelling story to your followers about how you did something no one's ever done before, then that comes from a pure innocent heart. Such a person is unlikely to have spent much time in their life developing the skills needed to not get caught. So I wouldn't hold that against them. It's on the system to forgive such persons. If what they did was actually cool and prosocial, then they shouldn't be punished for breaking the rules to do it. |
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| ▲ | BobaFloutist a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > everything I believe in as a hacker > beautiful Really? |
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| ▲ | hollerith 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Also, when one plane collides with another, both planes are protected by soft cocoons of freedom, comfort and idealism. |
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| ▲ | scotty79 a day ago | parent [-] | | Cocoons didn't work on January 29th this year. Thank God, no teenager was trying to achieve anything there. Just boring adults doing boring jobs as per rules and regulations. |
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