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tantalor 2 days ago

"Stranded" implies he is physically stuck, but the article contradicts itself on several points.

> "I remain in Antarctica awaiting approval for my departure flight"

> He was not forced to stay there, only to remain in Chilean territory

> He must also leave the country as soon as conditions allow

> Guo’s plane “does not have the capabilities to make a flight”

As a reader, it's hard to understand exactly what is happening. This is very poor reporting.

The most interesting detail in buried in the last paragraph:

> The prosecutor’s office said Guo must also pay all costs for his “aircraft security and personal maintenance” during his stay at the military facility. He also needs to cover all expenses for his return.

So the real reason he is "stranded" is extortion.

LeifCarrotson 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Guo’s plane “does not have the capabilities to make a flight”

> The prosecutor’s office said Guo must also pay all costs for his “aircraft security and personal maintenance” during his stay at the military facility. He also needs to cover all expenses for his return.

They may be unwilling or unable to sell him 60 gallons of 100LL avgas. It's not like he's just pulling up to the FBO at a local airstrip. There are thousands of locations across the country and across the world where aviators can just land, taxi to a tiedown and fuel up, and take off...the Chilean military base in Antarctica is not one of those places.

Do you think the base has some outdoor tiedown locations in the Antarctic winter, or keeps hangar space available for recreational pilots? Are they going to requisition fuel from the mainland, or dip into their supplies? They may be looking at the weather and saying that he can't take off without deicing and engine temp control provisions that his Cessna 182 does not have. He needs to fly some 800 miles in an aircraft with about 1000 miles of range into Antarctic winter weather, he only has a few hours of daylight per day which may not be enough to fly VFR from Antarctica to Chile, depending on the winds through the notorious Drake Passage.

From the perspective of the base commander, there's a very young man (almost still a child) who is asking to buy the military's fuel as if it were for sale and asking him to change flight schedules and get permission from the tower to unwisely take off and put himself into a potentially lethal situation. The commander has probably refused the same requests from trainees with inadequate hours or certifications, or whose aircraft were not rated for the weather at the moment, and has managed to keep hundreds of his charges alive in a very hostile environment. "Teenager stranded at base" is not a headline he wants to publish, but "Teenager lost in Drake Passage after receiving fuel and takeoff clearance at base" is far, far worse.

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atonse 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nah, not extortion. All self-inflicted idiocy. He's caused headaches for all these places, he should pay for the headaches.

kayodelycaon 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think it classifies as extortion when it's a plea deal to avoid being prosecuted for breaking multiple laws and potentially going to jail.

yieldcrv 2 days ago | parent [-]

the only difference between extortion and a fine is “due process”

remember, sometimes the mob has better rates

toss1 2 days ago | parent [-]

"only difference" and the quotes around "due process" are doing a lot of very heavy lifting there, trying to falsely equate due process and extortion

The entire point of Due Process is that it is NOT extortion. It is entirely designed to gather and weigh the facts, with respect to impartial laws created to maintain society.

While due process may fall short of those goals in some jurisdictions, acting like it is the literal same as extortion works only to further degrade society. You really do NOT want to live in a society with only extortion by local warlords, being themselves extorted by regional warlords, etc...

scotty79 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Plea bargains are legal extortion. Nothing else. Pay us and we won't try to make your life living hell. There's no justice in that and it's a shameful practice of any legal system that allows it.

toss1 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Call a plea bargain a distortion or corruption of due process, but even with plea bargains, due process is far less bad than extortion.

Plea bargains, within limits and when not abused are also sensible for both sides. An accused who is guilty can benefit from a years-lighter sentence by saving the prosecutor's office thousands of hours of work by taking a bargain. Or, they can always decline the bargain, go to trial, and potentially walk away acquitted, or be subject to the full legal penalty if convicted.

Where plea bargains go horribly wrong is when used against the innocent as a means of coercion to extract a conviction, and yes, that is extortion-like and a corruption of due process.

scotty79 a day ago | parent [-]

> Plea bargains, within limits and when not abused are also sensible for both sides.

I disagree completely. The purpose of a just court is to establish what happened and administer appropriate punishment regardless of what either side thinks or what is convenient for them. Without this basic honesty the whole system is a mockery.

JumpCrisscross 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Plea bargains are legal extortion. Nothing else. Pay us and we won't try to make your life living hell

It’s closer to bribery than extortion. He should be in jail. He won’t be because he can pay.

yieldcrv a day ago | parent | prev [-]

would you prefer I used italics instead?

one time I was forming a business in a state, in person. The price was $70 now, and I wanted to speed that up, as I was pulling out my kickback funds, they said I could do expedited processing for $200. The state actually codified expedited processing for $200 in a prescribed legislative process.

the only difference between the categorization of this transaction was due process.

EndsOfnversion 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

After entering Chilean territory illegally perhaps they should send him to killer whale Alcatraz?

kayodelycaon 2 days ago | parent [-]

Impound his plane and tell him to walk home. /s

aredox 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Extorsion?

He lied about his flight plan, didn't ask for authorization to land on a remote military base, endangered himself and others, all this for personal aggrandizement (and he is using kids with cancer to cover for his ego trip)

metalman 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

He is very much stranded, as a civilian on a military base, they are just chucking all procedure and rules out, he does not officialy exist, but gets fed and a bed, and razzed and razzed and razzed, sounds like he held up, though it will likely be impossible for him to fly out as it would need special attention to get the plane running if it was left to freeze solid, and departure clearance will have to come from the minister in charge and then he could end up waiting for 6 months for good weather..... guy did a polar circumnavigation in a RV kitplane, very serious extended range

netsharc a day ago | parent [-]

I'd have massive schadenfreude if red tape prevents him from leaving on his plane. "You need fuel? Oh we have plenty here, but as military we can't just give you fuel, your government needs to buy it from our government who'll talk down the chain of command to us.".

"You want to fly? Your violation of the airspace laws means you're not allowed to use Chilean airspace anymore... sorry Gringo."

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